Gender ratings up front in movies

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Six years ago user Jay Butterfirld proposed having seperate ratings for genders on the front page of each movie. Yes, I know you can click on users and break down the demographics, but I think recent experiences, most especially the ratings for Captain Marvel 2019, show that there can be some drastic differences in gender preferences. Would it really be so difficult to give each movie its current overall score, and then have two extra bits of info alongside for how male and female users rated it? Would it not help people make a more informed decision?
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Nick Burfle

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There are also noticeable differences by age group and by U.S. vs others.  I'm not sure why gender would get priority.  It takes only one click to pull up the data you want?
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There are many demographics, but the male female is the one that splits movie goers neatly in half. Also, there is often a wide distance between the two and especially in movies with a female lead or leads. As evidence looking at female to male polling - Wonder Woman 2017 7.4 vs 7.8, Bad Moms 6.6 vs 6.0, and Hunger Games 7.8 vs 7.1  Further, the one click search assumes that one is on the IMDB website, but a google search will currently ONLY bring up first the rating that appears in the front of house, and predominantly only more closely reflects the attitudes of female voters than male [for example, if you google Hunger Games the search gives you a rating of 7.1 - MUCH closer to the male polling than the female audience.]
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So really, the question becomes why should we update a system that currently skews the front of house ratings heavily to what men think of a movie?
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I just want to bring the fact to your attention:
Users who rates the movies are not obliged to prove their gender and age when they create their profiles on IMDb.
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Ed - either the data is good or the data is useless. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If people say they are voting on the movie because they have an informed opinion based on seeing, then IMDB takes them at their word. Same as for the gender identification. And considering the identified votes rank in the tens and hundreds of thousands, that is well enough to create a credible trend. Your arguments are debunked. Sorry :)
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MAthePA - if the gender data is not intended for use, then why is it listed at all. That statement simply makes no sense.
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You cant determine the gender of the ones that choose not to provide it.
Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?

THE ANSWER IS NO.

You cant tell me that without that data you can form a supposition.

Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?

NO AGAIN

Stop pushing this dead issue.

All your are providing is comical laughs for all to see.
You are fun to box into a corner.
Give us more ammo to poke holes through.
C'mon.
Need more.
Go ahead "Make Our Day"!
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Literally the worst idea ever. Stop putting people in boxes, it's medieval.
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Brett William C

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Jurgen Geevels IMDB already put the people in boxes. The discussion is only about where we put the boxes after that ;)

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Also honored to be the first person whose conversation you post on :)
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We are gonna end this stupidity with your own example.
Hunger games.
The Male and female votes add up to 633,897.
Total # of votes is 789,173.
There are 155,276 that do dot chose to give their sex.
Men don't seem to care about giving their identity as men.
Women generally do care and feel it is an invasion of their privacy.
And don't give me some silly argument about that number is the same split right down the middle as male female.
Without knowing the data contained within the "Chose not to identify" your argument is at best SILLY!
Also you have literally been the only one pushing this nutty idea.
No one has spent any time on this on your side of the debate.
You are championing nothing good here for society as a hole.
You are creating a divisive counterproductive wedge between all people on earth.
If, and I mean a really BIG IF this was really a problem, a solution does not exist.
If 95% of the choose not to identify are female then the voting reflects the current western civilization statistical data of the census figures of male and females, then there is no male bias. PERIOD.
Here are the stats

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It seems impossible to me for IMDb ratings to be in any way a trustworthy reflection of the opinions of the movie-viewing public at large.  IMDb doesn't collect enough information on voters for that purpose, for one, but even if it did, you're still dealing with data from a self-selected group (i.e. IMDb voters), so it can never be akin to a scientific or professional poll.

I also don't know how IMDb weights its overall rating.  It doesn't seem to factor the gender imbalance.  Some say it should, and the proposal here seems to be a different approach to seemingly rectify that imbalance, but, then, the rating would still be imbalanced in other ways.  What is the age distribution of IMDb voters versus the movie-viewing public at large?  Geographical distribution?  Isn't there an obvious and potentially bigger imbalance than sex between native English-language audiences, especially Americans, and others, for instance?  What about data that IMDb doesn't track?

For the record, since a couple posters seem to be keeping count, my position on the original proposal is ambivalence.  The seemingly misplaced importance people, myself included, tend to put into IMDb ratings interests me, though.  Anyways, below are a couple articles on this issue I was thinking of, if anyone's interested.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-if-online-movie-ratings-werent-based-almost-entirely-on-wh...

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/which-film-ranking-site-should-i-trust-rotten-tomatoes-imdb-metacrit...
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Agree with most of what you said here.  I would caveat that when I'm trying to decide what to watch, even imperfect data is better than none.  I use IMDB's ratings occasionally to make that decision; it counterbalances the more artsy-oriented Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic ratings.  And even with the data available (other than reading reviews ahead of time, since they have too many unacknowledged spoilers), it's still a crap-shoot!  I may think the difference between an IMDB 8 and a 6 irrelevant, but between a 6 and a 2 gives me pause for thought.
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Agreed Nick Burfle. Even the most well received movies are usually only in the high sevens or low rights on the average. Ultimately individuals are the best judge of what they will like but if you've got a choice of two or more options for an evening out a rating might be the tipping point.