Fix language and running times for tt0019649

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Someone at IMDb declined my contribution

#200318-043532-569000 , despite my submission correcting the title https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019649// Arsenal (1928/1929) by Oleksandr Dovzhenko:

My corrections were for:
1) Running time
* Per the most authoritative body on Dovzhenko films, Dovzhenko Center, the film has 2 versions (they released in 2010 a 10-disks DVD set with the entire filmography of Oleksandr Dovzhenko; it can be downloaded from here https://toloka.to/t11079 (it was never released commercially so you can't buy it; you could only get it at special functions and events):
* original one from 1928 (62 min)
* recut version from 1972 (88 min)

IMDb running time rules state :
  • Point #1: We prefer to list one single running time for all titles which corresponds the default running time. This is the running time of the original release version in the country of origin and is indicated by an entry with a blank country field. However the running time of an entire series can be added once the series has completed, the complete running time should be submitted with the attribute (entire series).

  • Point #2: Please only submit running times for other countries or versions which differ from the default by at least 5% and when you know that specific cuts or changes have been made to the title. We find that differences of less than this are often timing errors or even rounding errors where local reviewers have rounded the true running time to the nearest 5 minutes. The assumption should be that, unless otherwise indicated, the running time for a title in any country is the same as the default running time. Also see the notes below on video timings before submitting any times taken from home video versions.

  • Point #3: Silent movies may be shown at slightly different speeds because at that time there was no exact standard of speed (running times for silent films were usually given in feet, but we won't go into such details here), so different people might get different times.
The 3 "running times" currently listed on IMDb do NOT follow the IMDb rules above on running times and shoult be replaced by the 2 running times listed above (62 min. from original 1928 version & 88 min from 1972 recut version):
1) Arengina: 75 min => incorrect time (see IMDb running time point #3), there's no proof from any source that in 1929 there was such significant "extension" of original version. This was the error described above when "different people might get different times" -> it should be removed.
2) Belgium: 90 min => incorrect time (see IMDb running time point #2), this version is just 2 min off from the 1972 version, no need to keep it -> it should be replaced with {default} 88 min (1972 recut version)
3) USA 70 min => incorrect time (see IMDb running time point #3), there's no proof from any source that in 1929 there was such significant "extension" of original version. This was the error described above when "different people might get different times" -> it should be removed.


1) Languages

As per the common practice on IMDb, for silent movies that don't have dialogues and communicate plot via intertitles, the following system is in place:
* in languages, for a movie with Englihs intertitles, the language of intertitles is selected with added comment (intertitles) or (English intertitles). See how this was done for American iconic slient movies with Charlie Chaplin:
=> The Circus (1928) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0018773/, The Pilgrim (1923) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0014358/ etc.



As is clearly seen from the DVD set with the entire filmography of Oleksandr Dovzhenko (can be downloaded from here https://toloka.to/t11079 ), both film's versions in 1928 and 1972 had Russian intertitles, so I've made 2 updates:
* removed "Ukrainian" (intertitles) as 2nd language listed
* updated from Russian (intertitles) to Russian (Russian intertitles) as 1st language

Please approve #200318-043532-569000

Thanks.
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piznajko

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Meredith, Employee

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Hi piznajko, 

I have merged your current threads into one so these are easier to track and have filed a ticket with our editors to investigate the issues you are experiencing. 

We will let you know here once we have a response. Thank you in advance for your patience whilst this is being investigated.

Thanks
Meredith
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Hi Meredith, thanks for trying to help, appreciate it!
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piznajko

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Hi Meredith, were you able to fix any of the above things? Thanks.