filmosearch doesn't use episode date for sorting?

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When I do this filmosearch (sort by release date):
https://www.imdb.com/filmosearch?role=nm0004881&job_type=actor&mode=simple&sort=release_...
the earliest entry is a German game show which started in '64. But this performer (Placido Domingo) didn't appear on the show until '83.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059981/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast
specific episode:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1734653/?ref_=filmo_li_tt

Since my express purpose in doing the filmosearch was to see what acting credits he had before '75, it seems wrong to list something that's out of sequence by 19 years. It's not a big deal in this case, when it was a single credit that appeared before it should, but I haven't checked his full list to see what else is out of sequence.

If the system is consistent, that means that some actors currently appearing on The Young and the Restless (1973- ) will have a filmosearch entry before they were born. But no, Josh Morrow (b. '74) has earliest credit on The Nanny ('93-'99), before Y&R... UNTIL you do the search by episode, and see he was on Y&R first; the Nanny episode is his 49th episode credit.
The general search:
https://www.imdb.com/filmosearch?role=nm0607510&job_type=actor&mode=simple&sort=release_...
Refine to episodes:
https://www.imdb.com/filmosearch?role=nm0607510&job_type=actor&title_type=tvEpisode&mode...

So his list is wrong too, just not in the way I expected.

What's happening?
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Hi, bderoes. Well, I'd imagine you understand the answer to your main question, videlicet the interface certainly does not use only episode date for sorting. What do you mean, "What's happening?"? The filmosearch interface works very similarly to way the Advanced Title Search does (but there are some features that each one has that the other doesn't). What exactly is incorrect about the content of https://www.imdb.com/filmosearch?role=nm0004881&job_type=actor&mode=simple&page=1&sort=release_date,asc&title_type=tvEpisode? The particular filmosearch query won't render results matching the ATS results, in this case, because it is refined by job type, and refining by job type is not a feature of the the ATS.
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Jeorj,

Nothing (that I know of) is wrong with the episode lists (the link you provided).

What's wrong is what I described: for the general search (no choice for title_type), the earliest entry is a German game show which started in '64. But this performer (Placido Domingo) didn't appear on the show until '83. It should be sorted into his filmo at the 1983 slot, not at the pre 1970 slot.

Similarly for Morrow, a series in which he appeared in '97 is sorted at a '93 slot (when the series began). But that doesn't happen for Y&R, where he started in '93, and the series began in '73.

I provided the episode links for contrast, to demonstrate why the general sort was wrong.
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It sorts series by start date. Unfortunately it does this without indicating that it is doing so.
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That's not strictly true, Jeorj. That's why I included the SECOND person, whose credits do NOT sort that way.
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In other words, "not always." I got it. Only IMDb's back-end developers would know why this happens.
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This is a combined data & search problem dating back to before IMDb had full episode support. 

It appears somewhere in the system there's an "echo" (or "ghost" if you prefer) of the series level credit for Morrow in "The Nanny" ... the clue is in the results at https://www.imdb.com/filmosearch?role=nm0607510&job_type=actor&mode=simple&sort=release_... which both shows the series level credit at position #1 which therefore uses the release date attached to the series level, plus also the actual episode credit at match #49.  The "echo" disappears when you limit the search to episode level credits only. 

We think this explains things but let us know if we missed something here. 
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I see what you describe on this one too (the first case sited in my root post):
https://www.imdb.com/filmosearch?role=nm0004881&job_type=actor&mode=simple&sort=release_...
where the series-level record is at #1 and the episode at #35. He has another series record at #5 and episode at #20. And another series at #55 and episode at #100. Another series at #73 and episode at #74-6, except those are the only 3 episodes of the show and he appears to be in all of them.

And like Josh Morrow's results, where there is no series-level "echo" of Y&R preceding its episodes, for Domingo there is no "echo" of some series where he appears in episodes.

So it's some series, not all?
Are you talking about physical records in the database, or a glitch in the display software that displays some series records and not others?

Do you have any plans to clean this up? To me, when the actor is a guest on the series, that series record should not be in the all-title_type filmosearch results; the episode record(s) suffice.

On the flip side, Morrow has been in 2430 episodes of Y&R (and counting), which would seem to merit listing the series in this result (title_type=tvSeries), which does not happen:
https://www.imdb.com/filmosearch?role=nm0607510&job_type=actor&mode=simple&page=1&so...
On his name page he has 5 series, but this filmosearch result has only 2.

Similarly with Domingo, name page has 61 TV credits (lots of TV movies), but the filmosearch for title_type=tvSeries omits The Metropolitan Opera HD Live (TV Series), Great Performances (TV Series), and The Metropolitan Opera Presents (TV Series), where he has multiple episodes each.

I find filmosearch immensely useful, since I can really see what the person did, in the sequence he did them. It would be nice if that display were a little cleaner.
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Yes, eventually it will get cleaned-up;  it is dependent on further changes to the search technology. 

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