Filmmaker with multiple IMDb credits problems

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Hello IMDb community!

I'm looking for some advice. My IMDb page was created in 2003 when I worked on a film as an Assistant Director. In 2010 I received another credit on a film. Recently, credits that I did not recognize at all appeared on my page (from projects listed as being released in 2009 and 2011 but appearing on my page in the past year). I contacted the IMDb Help Desk and they directed my questions here... I had indicated which credits that were erroneously attributed to my page, and even went through the page's "Edit" process, and no changes. This was over 2 weeks ago now.

My big dilemma is that my first feature as writer and director is being submitted to film festivals with WithoutABox and my credits for that film are now being listed on a separate page with my name and a (II) after it. So I have my old credits and some false credits on my "John Doe (I)" page and my new credits on a "John Doe (II)" page. I've looked at the "Edit" feature on the second page but I do not know whether to use the Name Correction or Name Split options - and most of all I am wondering which aspect of the problem to approach first, and how to confirm that what I do is at all effective. How can I get my old and new credits on my original page and help this other person that shares my name retain the credits they've earned?

Any help would be really appreciated!

Thanks,
Max

Edit: One possible solution that I am considering would be to go to my correct credits on the "John Doe (II)" page and Edit them to be attributed to "John Doe (I)."

After that, I could use the Edit function on the "John Doe (I)" page and attribute the falsely attributed credits to "John Doe (II)."

Any thoughts or alternative solutions?
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You have a couple of problems:

* Bring the separate entries which contain your credits together in one by merging them:

www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?namemerge

* The other one is trickier, you can split them off rather than delete them, but it'd be an idea to find out who those credits actually belong to and change them to theirs:

www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?namesplit

It all should be realtively uncontroversial, you'll just need to be patient and wait for all the changes to trickle through.

If you give us specific links we might be able to give you more specific help.
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Actually in this case I don't think you should merge the two names as Emperor suggested.

Basically, I think your suggestion at the end is the right one: move the incorrect credits to the (II) Name page, and move the one currently on the (II) page to to your correct (I) page.

Normally I would agree with Emperor, but since (II) is so recent I doubt anyone is linked to it, and if a merge is done, (II) will almost certainly be locked out and a new name with (III) will need to be created for the credits that aren't yours.

In this case there is no need to wait for one to finish before submitting the other.
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My concern is twofiold:

* (II) is currently associated to (I)'s credits and I'm sure I've had PMs from MayorDefacto about the importance of these constants, it might not apply in this case but mucking around to keep the Roman numerals consistent is perhaps less important than generating a new constant for the new person. Just swapping the around might also make it more likely for the two to be merged - if you take credits from (II) and move them to (I) this could suggest they are the same, even if you've moved credits that don't belong to (I) into (II)

* As far as I could tell, there wasn't any evidence that the other credits are actually for another John Doe, they might be for Gene Doe and someone made a balls of adding the credits - which is why I said to try and find out who the credits actually belong too, rather than simply splitting them off to another John Doe account (which would be incorrect).
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I think the importance of name constants (URLs) has to do with pages being linked from other sites, and with a brand new page that may not be an issue.

I understand why you say the two pages might be merged if you moved all the credits from (II) to (I), but I have swapped credits like this recently without trouble.
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Thanks for your post Emperor!

I agree that it would be a good idea to split the credits that are not mine to the person that they belong to. And since you mentioned it, here are the IMDb pages that I am looking to fix:

Max Fox (I) My original page created in 2003
[the credits for "Purgatory" (2003) and "Young Again" (2010) are correct, but I did not work on "The Shifty Planet of Dr. Strange" (2011), "Making Bets and Chasing Girls" (2009) or "Actors" (2009).]

Max Fox (II) New page created within the last week with my new credits

Maybe these links will give you more insight into the situation. Thanks for being so active on the boards here!
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Thanks for your input David. Right now I am finding out as much as I can about these three projects that were incorrectly listed on my original page to confirm (or at least be very confident in assuming) that the other actor/filmmaker with my name is just one other individual, so that I will be correct in attributing them all to the second IMDb page.

I appreciate both of your thoughts! Thanks again.
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That is the best thing to do. I don't bother to recommend it, as many (most?) people in the business are only interested in getting their own credits correct.

It is a pleasant change to have someone trying to get the correct results for everyone. It restores my faith in humanity a little.
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Yes, it is best to find out who those credits belong to because:

* They might not actually be called Max Fox

* Even if they are, you should be able to supply some information to the other Max Fox's entry (as well as your own) which would help demonstrate these are for distinctly different people. This would mean that a) it'd be difficult for someone to get the two merged b) it makes it easier for people adding credits to work out which Max Fox they are adding credits for, which will help head off this kind of problem in the future.

So the little extra work on your behalf should help you in the future by keeping the credits seperate.
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Thanks for the great advice about supplying extra information to both pages.

I was able to find out a few facts about the person that has the same name as me. So I was able to use your suggestion and submitted information about my college career and the other individual's college career using the trivia section to make a very clear and easily identifiable difference between the pages. Hopefully that will help.
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Definitely. As David says, most people are focused on just hammering in their own credits and leaving a lot of loose ends for someone else to clear up. However, as I say, this can cause them problems later on and helping someone else out with their credits is a decent thing to do as well. ;)

I'll have a quick Google later and see what I can dig up too.
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I'd appreciate that Emperor. At this point though, I'm pretty confident that I've made the correct edits so that we will both have the right credits if the edits do in fact go through, and I just tweeted the other person with the same name to update him on the situation and the edits I've submitted to each IMDb page.

Thanks again!
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Good work. If you both have Twitter accounts, you can add those in too (and other social media) which pretty much demonstrates you are two different people right there.

Anyway, looks like you've taken care of everything. Keep an eye on things and let us know how it goes. It shouldn't be controversial, so it'll just be a matter of time - expect one or more pages to go blank while the credits are shifted around, which is all part of the process (as all effected pages need to be rebuilt and this happens at different times, so you'll find the credits getting slotted in at different times). If it has been a few weeks, then bump the thread and post the reference numbers so staff can check on progress.
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Hey everyone,
So it's been much longer than the two weeks that these corrections are supposed to take place, and the results of my attempts to differentiate the two IMDb credit pages with trivia info regarding schools and background resulted in the second individual's page being deleted and the info I entered on that page to show that these individuals are separate, being displayed on the original page (my page). So in the next few days I will try to generate a name split and get that individual's page right.

The other individual with the same name responded to my tweet to him (about the work i was doing to fix our pages) with the message "bulls**t, so that's helpful too. Any advice?
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Helpful indeed!!

Ah well. Onwards.

Can you supply the submission IDs? Staff will be able to check on the submissions using them. You can find them here:

http://www.imdb.com/updates/history
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Hello everyone!

Still trying to add a name split to allow me the chance to give this other filmmaker/actor with the same name, Max Fox (II), his credits. At this point, I'm pretty tired of having these credits on my page that don't belong to me. Here's the page again: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1563396/ The projects I've worked on are "Jerry" "Young Again" and "Purgatory." The other credits on my page should go to a new page, a new name split, for Max Fox (II).

So I tried to add a name split today, and I was given the option to select role-categories (Actor, Writer, Director, etc) to move to the new name split. The problem is that you can't seem to individually select each film for each role, so if I selected "Actor," and attribute those credits to this new name split, all the Actor credits would move to this other person's new page ( Max Fox (II) ), which is not correct.

Me and this other filmmaker/actor both have credits as Actor, Director, Writer, and Producer on my page, there isn't a role that only belongs to him and I'm trying to split apart what projects we worked on so that our credits are correct.

Any suggestions? Thanks to everyone who has tried to help out before... :)



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Name Split only works if an entire section needs to be moved to another page. For example if an actor has a composer's 5 credits added, Name Split will move all the data in the Composer section easily -- and it is more obvious to the Data Managers what you are trying to do than 5 individual changes.

If there are two people mixed in a single section, you need to change the Name on the individual credits. If there is only one, you can do it by going to the Title page and changing it there.

However, you can also make the change from your Name Page, and this is preferable if there is more than one credit, as both will appear in the same submission.

Once you have got to the point where you have the Update form shown, select Correct in the Action field for those you want to change, and also check the Show Names box in the bottom right corner of the form. When you click the Check these updates button the returned form will have a new Name column, and you can correct the names there.

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Thanks for the info David!

I just created a submission for the proper changes to be made, hopefully it will create a new name and transfer the correct credits to that new page. If anyone knowledgeable in IMDb edit submissions wants to take a look at my most recent Edit, I would greatly appreciate feedback. The reference number for my most recent submission is 140209-231200-590000.