Evidence for date of birth - I've given URLs to Findmypast but it's been declined as "can't verify"

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I'm trying to correct the DOB for Michael Angelis. There is some confusion among the various newspaper announcements of his death: some give his age as 68 (born 1952) and some as 76 (born 1944).

I've searched Findmypast and found no Michael Angelis born in this range of years, but there is a Nicolas Michael Angelis born in 1944. The same person is listed as being married to Helen Worth (Catherine Helen Wigglesworth) and Jennifar Khalastchi in 1991 and 2003 respectively - which matches the IMSB information.

I submitted a correction 200531-185125-246000

  • Angelis, Michael (I)
    • Birth Name - Replace
      • Old -
        Nicholas Michael Angelis
        New -
        Nicolas Michael Angelis

    • Date of Birth - Replace
      • Old -
        18 January 1952, Liverpool, Merseyside, England, UK
        New -
        18 January 1944, Liverpool, Merseyside, England, UK


with explanation

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/results?sourcecategory=life+events+%28bmds%29&collection=civ... (IMDB has his real name as Nicholas Michael Angelis) born in 1944. Nicolas M Angelis married Catherine H Wigglesworth (Helen Worth) in 1991 and Jennifar Khalastchi in 2003 which agrees with marriage info for Michael Angelis: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/results?sourcecategory=life+events+%28bmds%29&collection=civ...

I've just noticed that I forgot to correct the place of birth. I notice that Paul Angelis is also listed in Finemypast as being born in London - I wonder if the family moved to Liverpool when the boys were young, and obituary writers have assumed they were born there.

There is no information about the day and month of birth for (Nicolas) Michael Angelis. Am I right in assuming that those (but not the year) were already correct? What evidence was given for the DOB of 18 January 1952? Is it as reliable as my Findmypast entry?
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Hi Martin - unfortunately IMDb data editors cannot use Find My Past pages as proof as they require a login. Information used as evidence in submissions needs to be publicly available from a trusted source. I don't have historical data as to what source was used for the original addition, but we have to assume it is right unless we are given evidence of the contrary.

Thanks for your understanding on this one!
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So what *will* you accept? Findmypast is a standard source for birth, marriage and death information: I'd have thought that IMDB would have subscriptions to standard sources like this that may be cited as proof, especially as in the case of Findmypast it's free.

If you won't accept Findmypast, then you are making it very difficult for people to submit corroborating evidence.

Fortunately in this case his obituary in the Guardian (published since my submission) gives his real name, and the correction has now been accepted, but for future reference, will you accept a screen print of the information from Findmypast?

What is the situation about newspaper obituaries that are behind a paywall. Will you accept the truncated obituary as proof of the fact that someone has died, with an alternative, less trusted source for the precise date which is usually at the end, in the truncated part of the newspaper obituary? Submission 200605-205657-718000 for writer Roger Marshall is an example.

Otherwise we have a bit of an impasse: info has been published in a trusted location such as a newspaper obituary but is inaccessible because of a paywall. Such information should be captured somehow in IMDB.
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If you must sign up, IMDb will not use it as a site for verification.
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I was able to create a free subscription to it.

Anyway, if you aren't able to accept URLs to it, will you accept screenprints of the info from the site?

Is there any other site that gives birth, marriage and death info? Ancestry does need a paid subscription.
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IMDb employees are not required to divulge personal info just to verify your submissions. That would open their/or IMDb's e-mail to SPAM emails. Not to mention ad software. Anything that requires a subscription IMDb will not get involved with. And no a screenshot is not acceptable on it's own. Those can be manipulated.
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Hey Martin - just like the help guide says: We are looking for links to public records, printed publications, or official documents.

For more detail see here: https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/names-biographical-data/biographical-data-guidelines/GMT9T242VQADZUQM