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Honestly I’m very upset because an IMDB employee told me information is.l correct that I know is not correct. https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topi...

I can either have this page deleted that is listed in the other post or I can contact my lawyer. I asked who I can contact to send proof and the thread gets closed.
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Hi Leigh, thanks so much for reaching back out about this, however as we previously advised you, it is our policy not to alter or delete any kind of correct/factual information or credit from our records.

We have reviewed your request and believe the information we have listed to be factual, as such we cannot remove this from the database.
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And like I said I can show you proof of who I am but would rather not do that publically.
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So because someone randomly posted this you are going to take it at word? Where can I send my proof?
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Hi Leigh,
Were you just a fangirl videoing the concert of the Farm Tour?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI7R3x2NKoc
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeOAZPpoz83EZXzBbq3rwDQ



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I was at the concert, but I was not on camera. Just because you attend a concert does not mean you should show up on a list on a website.
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Also those videos were taken before the event I’m tagged in, FYI
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So, if you were at the event in an official capacity as a reporter/photographer there is no reason you should be credited as a fan. You are not in the video and you are not credited in the video.
https://www.velvetjobs.com/profile/karah-leigh-hancock
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Exactly!
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Leigh.
This is how it works here, just for your information.
I'm an actor/comedian (Small time) and a contributor here.
IMDb staff has closed this thread and marked it answered. Once that is done all that you post here will no longer be seen by staff as they unfollow it upon labeling it answered or solved. Any body that replies is not a staff member. So you are essentially talking (typing) to yourself.
As I explained, IMDb was not going to remove the credits.
They have said as much above.
You have unfortunately confirmed in a reply above that you were there. That makes your case worse. Replying as you did to the user "Trivia" has worsened your case for removal. He has confirmed that you are mis-credited. That's all. From this information he has had you admit to, all that can be done is to correct your credits from "Fan" to "Reporter in Crowd". Not remove them. It would be best to not divulge anything furher.

Remember, IMDb will never remove your credits. No matter how much you threaten them with. This type of request is common. So they deal with it on a regular basis.
Sorry, but it is better you know the truth rather than be coddled with half truths and misleading replies to your queries that would raise false hope. The credits are there permanently.
Cheers
Ed
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Well that is pretty screwed up because I was not in the credits on either thing! Therefore I should not be listed. If I wanted to be listed I would have done it myself but a friend did it as a joke.

Regardless, IMDB needs to fix their system bc they are putting false information out there. I do believe I have a legal case if it came down to it because I was not in either credits nor was I on camera. Thousands of people go to concerts, so should all of them be listed? How about the Elvis concert films from the 70s?
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I must disagree with Ed here. To have a cast credit it is not sufficient to be present during filming. For the kind of actress credit at issue, you have to both be visible on screen and named on screen in the credits. It also looks to me as if they should be Self credits if they are eligible at all.

https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/cast-acting-credits-guidelines/GH3JZC...# has details and includes this: "We will usually discard credited submissions where, in the vast majority of cases the character/role name would be uncredited, such as "waiter", "bus driver", "pedestrian", "bar patron", "party goer" etc."

I would have thought that 'Fan' in the context of a music performance in front of a crowd would fall into that category but it is not my decision.

Unfortunately, without a copy of the relevant show it is hard to determine whether or not you were named on screen or, for an 'uncredited' appearance, were clearly recognisable.
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The concert was on television I was not on camera nor credited. It was on GAC. The other show was a show about a boy band that I wasn’t even at.
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Leigh, in https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/how-can-i-delete-a-page-i-m-not-an-actor-never you started out by saying "I have no idea how this page was created" but later say "An ex-best friend did this as a joke years ago to be funny."

It does not help your case to change the story like that.

It may be the case that these credits are false but if you have known about them for a long time and done nothing about it then it makes it much harder to do anything about them after all this time.

Note also that there have been other cases where someone has attempted to alter or delete credits that they claim were submitted as a joke but they always have an uphill struggle. Why should anyone believe someone who says that they or their friends have given false information?

Although the credits seem to me to be unlikely to be correct in their current form I doubt if you will have much success in getting them deleted or corrected unless you can get hold of recordings of the shows involved, and especially the credits, in a form that is likely to be how they were originally broadcast.
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Owen Rees, "visible" is a broad term. Many people are not paying attention to background whatsoever and than complain that they don't deserve the listing. In cases like that, given the photograph and sufficient time I can go shot-for-shot and there will be at least three where the person in question will be very mcuh visible, with one of them being so clear that there will be no doubt. 

That happens a lot, to be honest. 
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With modern technology it is certainly possible to pick out people who would otherwise not be noticed but where should the line be drawn for which cases are worth an uncredited credit?

On the whole, I would not try to add someone who is just being themselves and who would be recognised only by family and friends.

A well known person in a crowd or audience might be worth a credit.

Someone who is or becomes well known working as an extra or similar background part would probably be worth a credit.

Should other journalists and crew seen in the background of a news report get credits? I do not think so.
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Thank you!
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Sorry let me rephrase..........or clarify.......your credits from "Fan" to "Reporter in Crowd" 
Should be from "Fan" to "Reporter in Crowd" or better yet self as Owen has stated with an attribute of uncredited.
Yeah, that is not going to make sense to you.
But it is what the credit should be corrected to.
Sorry Owen, but with due respect to you, your advice contradicts IMDb's already stated position on this. Twice no less. Her other post was answered and closed for comments. All the statements you make are valid. No arguments there. But while there is doubt, there is no proof to back up the claim for inclusion or removal. And you well know that once data is in it rarely gets removed without evidence that the data is false. The world was flat for centuries until it was proven to be round. Centuries! Proving it was round took an enormous effort on the part of many to make the case for round. This will require that same monumental effort for it to be removed. An actual video of both events sans Leigh. And to point out that if there is no video to prove she was in it, then it should be removed, would be like saying that King George never beheaded anyone because there's no video of it. You just have no way of knowing whether a claim is valid or not. We trust the words of record by historians that George did indeed order those beheadings. And the database has been trusting us contributors as such in kind. To remove a historical fact requires a high burden of proof.
It has yet to be provided.
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You’re kind of an asshole and need to get off your high horse. If there’s no proof that I wasn’t on camera, then is there any proof this was a real production?
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We have to go with Owen here and get the credit removed. Just because you were at a show does not give you a credit. How many fans attend a Rolling Stones concert. They all should have a credit? I think not.
So, going by Ed Jones everyone who attended a concert anywhere in the world should have a credit.
We will make progress and get this removed.
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You are making an invalid extrapolation made on a silly premise.
Get real please.
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This is a problem that cannot be addressed.
This database is full of people with multiple credits that you cannot prove they were not in yet the database allows those false credits remain because you cannot prove that they were not in them.

Then you have the opposite here where someone is in the database that does not want to be in it but that same standard of proof is required for removal.

Here is this example of credit padding that I have been working on. I have spent a good twenty hours scouring for proof of false credits. I have gotten about 15% of her credits modified or removed.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0498314/?ref_=nv_sr_1?ref_=nv_sr_1

Leigh needs proof for removal.
Why should she be any different?
And if for some reason the credits of hers should come up missing because a trusted contributor submitting it, I shall post the information of said contribution.
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Very good copy and paste.
Just because she said she was there at the concert does not mean a credit. You know that you should get real.
We will make progress.
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So IMDb is wrong and only you are correct?
Puh-Lease
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IMDb is often wrong.
Puh-Lease
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Owen and I use our real names
How about you?
Big words from ???????????????
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You don't just barge in here and command that "WE" shall do anything.
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Doesn't change the facts, IMDb is often wrong.
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By the way you are not pushing any buttons.
I enjoy this.
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Well, we shall make progress.
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Often is misleading.
In the initial stages of submission......Yes.
But here in this forum you are dealing with supervisory staff only.
They don't "OFTEN" make mistakes. It is rare.
Please do not state false facts.
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I shall not reply further. You are Trolling.
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Often is true, I know of many, many 'Oftens'
However, thanks for your input but I don't need your help.
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Bye bye, and thanks again.
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https://getsatisfaction.com/corp/terms-of-service/

4. CODE OF CONDUCT

You are in violation of this subsection

4.2.4 Providing information that is false, misleading or inaccurate.



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No, it's all true.
You can stop now.
We shall make progress. I will help to remove the credit. So everything I have said is true.
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Thanks, but I don't need anymore help from you.
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You can only correct the credit in accordance to guidelines.
I shall monitor the page for corrections. If any data is removed based on your trusted contributor status I shall report the removal.
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Keep watching. Be vigilant. 
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No need.
Creating a topic directed squarely at you.
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Okay let us see how it goes for you.
In the meantime, Keep watching. Be vigilant. 
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I hope so!

If that’s the case I should have well over 3,000 credits considering how many concerts I’ve been to.
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Proof of proximity to the subject matter in dispute. Leigh is a photographer and reporter out of Georgia. She has covered the Country Singer and Star in question on several occasions. Photo evidence below. She is credited in captions below each photo. As a photographer she would have stage access. She would easily be viewable during filming. So her claims of not being a fan are correct. She should have a self uncredited credit change applied to the two credits in question.
http://gm5-gaweb.newscyclecloud.com/photogallery/GA/20130410/PHOTOGALLERY/304109928/PH/1




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Fir your information I’m not a reporter anymore and neither of those photos were from said credit on IMDb. Thomas Rhett the first photo wasn’t there and the second photo wasn’t even in the same town nor the same year as said credit.

Talk about a stalker.
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Also have you ever heard of a zoom camera? I wasn’t close to the stage and neither of those photos were from that
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The 'Dead 7' credit is legit and easily checked, meaning the page will never be deleted I'm afraid.
The Making The Band episode is on YouTube in 3 parts and while it does have a section in Georgia where you live, it'd be impossible to pick you out even if you were there, you definitely are not credited onscreen. I think best you can do on those fan credits is make them 'uncredited'. Whomever added those 2 credits is the one you should be mad at, if indeed they are bothering you that much by existing on there.
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The reason IMDb staff will not outright remove the credits is that the credits have the very sources you site for validity. You have found them. They were cited as non existent (a Lie) by Leigh. These facts of existence and the fact that the credits have been listed for many years without a peep from Leigh was most likely the decision that was extrapolated by staff as well

Good Work.

And as for the modification, I stated above that the credit needs to be "Self" and "uncredited" Leigh is a public figure due to her profession as a Journalist/Photographer.

While she can argue the semantics of being "Listed" as an "actress", for which she claims she is not which is true, IMDb only has name pages that identifies you as either an actor or actress.

Walter Chronkite is an Actor in IMDb
Barbara Walters is an Actress
These are the only categories for on screen persons.
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This is very odd.
I think this could have been easy to resolve sharing the YouTube link of said concert, as proof of being not-credited (I haven't seen those videos, but after reading all this, it seems Leigh wasn't credited at all on-screen, not even shown).
An appropiate attitude and veracity approaching the issue is key to get things resolved quickly. But instead this seems as a "he says-she says" kind of thing.
My advice is to read the Guidelines and ask the proper questions here before attempting to remove or change anything, if you are not familiar with IMDb's Guidelines.
Perhaps it may help someone reading this thread.


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I tried to help by changing the credits to uncredited at least. But it was denied.

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She was not credited as on screen. Those credit positions are invalid. 1 and 3.
Made reference to this topic, but IMDb chose to retain them as is. Maybe they will change them. Also if you would read the whole topic, you'll notice that her job as a photojournalist places her at these events. She may have been seen on camera at the back or front of the stage. The other issue is the time frame between addition and the request for removal. 8+ years after the fact. She knew these were added at the time they were added, but said nothing at the time.
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Ed what you did was the proper action IMHO, but as you said, IMDb has made its decision by now. Perhpas being more factual adressing the issue would have helped Leigh, but I kind of undertstand IMDb's attitude right now, even thinking that what you did (to add the 'uncredited' attribute) was a good step.
Regarding being a journalist at a concert, I do that job too, but I wouldn't ever credit myself on my IMDb page as 'audience/press' on any concert I have attended! Unless my face were all over the screen haha.
As humans, we all made mistakes, specially if we are not familiar with the guidelines or the way a certain website/organization works, but I truly believe that it is better to admit the mistake and kindly ask for help, otherwise things end up like this.
Hopefully Leigh could change her approach in the future and be able to solve whatever bothers her without removing anything factual.

Cheers.



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That is the point. If you read fully all 3 post/topics on this issue she admitted that she did not add the credits. She knew who did, and was aware of those credits right after they were added 8+ years ago. That is when she should have requested removal. Then it suited her just fine. Now No!!??? Gimme-a-Break!
Cheers
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Hi All, this matter has been resolved and this thread will be closed. 

This conversation is no longer open for comments or replies.