How to List Deceased composers - credits?

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Hi.

This is one of those questions that probably should be clear, but I'm not fully sure. I came across with a short film where two already deceased composers are credited as "music" in the opening credits - Jacques Offenbach (1819–1880) and Luigi Boccherini (1743–1805). I have no idea what music (classical) pieces are used from them in the short film (the actual songs are not listed).

They are credited pretty much as composers, but since they're already dead it's obvious that no original music was used. Then again since I don't know the songs, it's difficult to add them to "Soundtrack" section. Yet, they are clearly credited. So, how to credit them?
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Eboy: My inclination would be to just give Offenbach and Boccherini composer credits on this title, notwithstanding that they didn't write original music for this or any other film.

If the filmmaker used music by Offenbach and Boccherini as the instrumental underscore of the film, and gave them "Music by" credits, then those composers fit the description of being the composers for the film better than anybody else does. 
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In case it's not spelled out enough, I think gromit82 means: use only the Cast&Crew page, Music Department, and ignore the Soundtracks page. That would be true for living composers as well.

Then again, if you're eager to document that Offenbach wrote the music for a particular scene, perhaps you can find an app that can listen to and identify the music.
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Bderoes: Actually, I'm recommending using the Cast & Crew page, Composers section, not the Music Department, in this particular situation.
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It used to be more of a problem because the composer title on the cast and crew page was "Original music by". It still is on the 'combined' page, but the new pages only say "Music by".
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Hi All -

I'm just confirming here that in this instance, Music department would be the correct section for these credits.

We only allow "dead composers" in the Composer section if the title in question is for example, an opera. In general, if the music hasn't been composed with that particular movie in mind, it's not qualified as "score" for the composer section.  However, we will allow Composer section entries for recently deceased composers who worked on a project but were unable to finish their work.

I hope this helps clarify!
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Michelle: I am fine with this policy.

Does this mean, for example, that if Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart has a "music by" credit currently listed in the Music Department for a production of one of his operas, such as Così fan tutte (2014) (TV), he ought to receive a Composer credit for that instead?
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Hi gromit82 -

Just to clarify further, Opera credits fall into a little bit of a gray area, as these credits are acceptable under both the Composer and Music Department category.  So having credits for deceased composers under the Composer section for Opera titles is acceptable and you are welcome to move the credit in this instance, however, note that the credit can later be moved back to the Music Department section by another contributor (that's because technically, Mozart wasn'tthinking of the "movie" when he composed the opera).

Just be aware that we have some back and forth regarding these credits which our staff aren't currently moderating, however we are looking toward making this clearer in the guides. 

I hope this helps!
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Thanks, Michelle. I am not planning to go back and move existing credits myself, but if this situation comes up when I am submitting credits in the future, I will follow this policy.

I thought about trying to write this up to be submitted for the guides, but I will leave it up to the staff to figure out how to explain it.
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I already submitted these credits to "composer" section. Now I have to move them.
(EDIT: Ah, data editor has added these credits to "Music Department" and not to the "Composer" section. Very good.)
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