Daniel Boone should not have history genre

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I'm not sure what all I need to provide to support that Daniel Boone should not have the history genre. According to the history genre description it should not have significant fiction, and the show is simply full of fiction. This is supported at the series level by trivia and goof items, as well as trivia and goofs throughout episodes. I can understand the reviewer not knowing the show, but they should pass it to someone else and not simply reject it.

Any suggestions as how to get a reviewer to understand?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057742/trivia?ref_=ttgf_sa_1

Here is one trivia item that I think helps: "According to the History Channel series The Men Who Built America: Frontiersmen, Daniel Boone's life in Boonesborough was nothing like this TV show. Boone was captured by Shawnee warriors in 1778 (about three years after the founding of Boonesborough) who were allies with the British, taking him to a British encampment. He was ordered to surrender Boonesborough and on the way back, he escaped the group of Indians he was with and alerted Boonesborough that the Shawnees were planning an attack. After 10 days of Indian attacks against the fort, the Indians retreated after being alerted of an approaching militia that was sent for earlier. The captain of the militia wanted to retaliate against the Indians, basically planning to wipe them out. Boone wanted nothing to do with the attack, so he left Boonesborough never to return. "




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Hi MikeTheWhistle -

Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with this series, can you confirm if the series showcased real -life events?  For the History genre we are flexible in allowing some fictional characters, events, dialogue if they are relatively minor points in the series used primarily to bridge gaps in the record.
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I may end up with a few replies as I'm hoping to get someone else to weigh in as well and I'm trying to process what may provide useful info. Part of the problem is that about 1/2 the series should hold the history genre comfortably, but the other half truly stretches known facts. So that first off creates a Kobayashi Maru situation I think.

But the entire show is centered around Boonesborough where he lived from about 1773-1783. He left Kentucky partly because his son, Israel, who is portrayed throughout the entire series, died towards the end of the Revolution. What's important here is that the many stories that are post-Revolution have him in Boonesborough when he wasn't. There are various stories that put him in a location he never went. For example, one story has him interacting with Benedict Arnold that never happened. Another story has him in the Florida everglades which he never visited.

Some things I can accept the stretch on because it's tv. For example, Boone had 10 children and the show only ever has 2 with 1 leaving in a later season (the actress didn't like the show's direction). But I understand from a filming perspective trying to film with 10 kids would be impossible so to me that doesn't take away the history genre. Also, the series is very disjointed in that it has a story that's part of the Revolution, then one that's post-Revolution, and then has one that's pre-Revolution. This makes it difficult to explain it's inaccuracies at the series level.

Generally, it's seasons 4-6 that have storylines that are simply factually innaccurate. In another example, it has Boone meeting with Ben Franklin, which did not occur.

Does my life change based upon whether this has a history genre - no. I care from the perspective of wanting to make imdb as accurate as possible. In this case, I think it's mixed 50-50.

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So that first off creates So that first off creates a Kobayashi Maru situation I think. I think.
It just does not create it, it IS a Kobayashi Maru situation.

Let the History Genre alone. Ignore what E-Boy says. He just chimes in to disagree with me. So he is like a 10 vote in ratings. He carries a 65% weighted response reduction.

Seriously, I agree, but if you go by Michelle's reply, it meets criteria for remaining.

So leave it be.
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Here are some links/info that has info regarding the accuracy/inaccuracy.
https://historycollection.co/10-classic-historical-television-shows-see-which-ones-got-it-right-or-w...

"The series’ many historical inaccuracies led the Kentucky legislature to complain of them formally."
"Some events from the life of the real Daniel Boone, such as the siege of Boonesborough, were depicted but usually in a highly fictionalized manner"
"The Oxford educated Cherokee Mingo, played in the series by Ed Ames, was entirely fictional"

I compare this to a show like for example Turn:Washington Spies which has the history genre. It has fictional aspects, but fairly faithfully follows historical events. Another series is Vikings which also has history genre. It is less true to history than Turn, but the larger events are based on history.

I think this is why Daniel Boone sticks out to me, in that both the larger and smaller events are inaccurate. I have to add that this doesn't diminish my opinion of the series as I enjoyed it as a kid and I've rewatched a # of episodes. Considering the series wasn't supposed to be about Boone and there was no internet, it's understandable why it deviates so greatly from actual events.
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Have to disagree I think Ed. You made me go back and re-read Michelle: "are relatively minor points in the series used primarily to bridge gaps in the record."

I think what sticks out is that the show inserts actual people (Aaron Burr for example who Boone is never known to have met but there is an episode of Boone and Burr interacting) vs fictional people. I think you finally clued me in to why this sticks out as odd to me which is that the series rather than using fictional characters and events to bridge gaps used real events and people. In the example with Benedict Arnold, it has Boone in NY when Arnold turns traitor. Again, Boone never met Arnold and was never in NY.

I think that's the key, is that the show tried to bridge gaps with actual people/events that simply didn't occur. If they had simply used fictional bridgings, it wouldn't even make me take a second look.

And based on several links I found I'm not the only one.
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Hi MikeTheWhistle -

Yeah, this is a bit tricky.  In this case I would probably recommend removing the History genre from the series title, and only include the History Genre on the individual episode titles where it is applicable to portraying factual historical characters and events.

As such, I have now removed the History genre from the series title.
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Thx Michelle. I'll work on individual eps. It's funny, as a kid I didn't care about the inaccuracies, but I'll blame it for any history tests I failed. lol
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There's a-better solution.  Add Biography as a genre at the series level, and then, depending on the content of each episode, add historical-fiction or history-episode as a keyword.

Isn't it impossible to add a Genre for an episode?  The genre designation is for the entire series, not for individual episodes.
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That would require watching the whole series and determining what applied for each episode.
How ridiculous.
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Painstaking and time consuming, yes. I've done that on a couple of series.  Not ridiculous, but accurate.
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Based on what I read for biography I don't think it's appropriate either ( "A real person in a fictional setting would not qualify a production for this genre."), but the keywords are good.

I just looked and you are correct genre cannot be added at episode level.
I'm curious as to how the two keywords would be defined as I'd be glad to add them.

I've actually been rewatching the series for quite a while as it's being played on two different channels every weekend.  In scanning them,  I'd say I've seen about 40-50% of the ep's in the past year.

I'll use the link below as an example of an ep that history would fit. Boone did in fact do quite a bit of surveying (incl with Lewis and Clark for the LA Purchase). The part regarding the 2 women and man is fictional, but that's what I guess could be considered a plot device. Where so many ep's go astray is they would add in a real life person vs these fictional characters. That's where it strayed from historical.

And I think the point most important is that imdb actually tries to be consistent and define things and give examples.  That's why with even some issues I have with imdb, I really like imdb because they try to be consistent which is far better.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0554235/

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Mike. Background on Brad. He is a SoCal liberal College Professor. That should say it all. His ideas about Genres are WAY out there sometimes!!!!
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You are wrong -- and I am sorry that personal opinions and biases are being brought  into this.  YES, i am a liberal, but I do not live in Southern California and am not a college professor.  I once did, and once was, but not for over 15 years.   

At any rate, the best solution may be to just add fictionlal-history as a keyword at the series level.  Is history ever completely factual?  I doubt it.  Most Daniel Boone stories are probably more legend than history anyway.

The staff could make a decision.
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There's actually more known about Boone than many people of the same time period. There were at least two biographies written based upon interviews of him. One is known to have spiced up his life while the other was more accurate.
What likely helped is that he had 10 children (although one may not have been biologically his) and 6 adopted kids who all certainly had a vested interest to develop his legend.

James Fenimore Cooper's The Last of the Mohicans is a fictionalized version of his rescuing his daughter.

Before even noticing the history genre I had done a fair amount of reading about Boone as I find him an extremely interesting man. I actually wish that the series was truer to his life because he definitely is an American pioneer.
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Mike,

If you ever get a chance to visit the St. Louis, Missouri area, the Daniel Boone Home is located in Defiance, Missouri in St. Charles County.
https://www.sccmo.org/1701/The-Historic-Daniel-Boone-Home

Daniel Boone's grave is close to this site, although some people primarily from Kentucky dispute this.