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Company credits now part of IMDBPro or is this an issue (11/30/17 checking sends me to imdbpro to login)
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If this is a bug it seems to have returned because today I'm getting the same issue of clicking company credits instantly links me to Pro.
Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Why can't I see the company credits for the movies and TV shows on IMDb?.
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I mean, they're now all redirected to IMDbPro pages. What the hell is up with that, is it some kind of broken link error, or another dumb site update? These company-related pages are supposed to be informative and tell people which works the companies are involved with.
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I've been an IMDB user for years. I had always used the 'character' pages to find upcoming and past films. So I am really sad to see that go. But I was feeling okay, because I have always used the company pages to do the same thing.
So today, when I clicked on a company page and was directed to IMDBpro (which I am not a member of) I was a bit confused. Why aren't the company pages free anymore? I love IMDB but it is increasingly becoming less useful to me.
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Personally, I prefer the classic IMDB list layout so hopefully this bug gets fixed soon (plus, as has been pointed out, not everyone is a Pro member).
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Unfortunately as part of https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/upcoming-changes-to-several-imdb-features-du6man1opd5q0 the old company filmography pages are deliberately now only available on IMDbPro. The company filmography pages were served from our old software platform which is being retired shortly. The complexities of trying to tie company credits across different branches and subsidiaries is not something we can easily represent within the consumer focused main IMDb.com website, sorry.
In keeping with the Get Satisfaction announcement referenced in the previous paragraph, over the long term, if we cannot do something properly, simply and consistently across all IMDb consumer web site and mobile app platforms, we are (mostly) no longer going to do it at all. Company filmography falls into this category and is now only supported on IMDbPro as it is more of an entertainment industry focused feature in any case.
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For example I used to be able to go on Lifetime Television [us]
and see what movies they have made now i have to pay to access it on IMDB PRO
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Unfortunately as part of https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/upcoming-changes-to-several-imdb-features-du6man1opd5q0 the old company filmography pages are deliberately now only available on IMDbPro. The company filmography pages were served from our old software platform which is being retired shortly. The complexities of trying to tie company credits across different branches and subsidiaries is not something we can easily represent within the consumer focused main IMDb.com website, sorry.
In keeping with the Get Satisfaction announcement referenced in the previous paragraph, over the long term, if we cannot do something properly, simply and consistently across all IMDb consumer web site and mobile app platforms, we are (mostly) no longer going to do it at all. Company filmography falls into this category and is now only supported on IMDbPro as it is more of an entertainment industry focused feature in any case.
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Unfortunately as part of https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/upcoming-changes-to-several-imdb-features-du6man1opd5q0 the old company filmography pages are deliberately now only available on IMDbPro. The company filmography pages were served from our old software platform which is being retired shortly. The complexities of trying to tie company credits across different branches and subsidiaries is not something we can easily represent within the consumer focused main IMDb.com website, sorry.
In keeping with the Get Satisfaction announcement referenced in the previous paragraph, over the long term, if we cannot do something properly, simply and consistently across all IMDb consumer web site and mobile app platforms, we are (mostly) no longer going to do it at all. Company filmography falls into this category and is now only supported on IMDbPro as it is more of an entertainment industry focused feature in any case.
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Please refer to the reply from our CEO & Founder above:
“Unfortunately as part of
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/upcoming-changes-to-several-imdb-features-du6man1opd5q0
the old company filmography pages are deliberately now only available on IMDbPro..."
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So, When will all Titles and Name pages be only supported on IMDbPro ??
http://www.imdb.com/stats
IMDb Database Statistics
Titles: 4,664,622
People: 8,284,271
"People" should be changed to "Names" here ??
Not all Names are People
Some are dogs and horses and objects etc...
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PS
http://www.imdb.com/stats
IMDb Database Statistics
Titles: 4,664,622
People: 8,284,271
Cosita rica (2003–2004)
Episode #1.96
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt7700000/
Bryant Deal
The Springs Angry Driver
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm9460000/
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https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/idmb-is-rippping-us-off-now
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Please reference the main conversation: Company Credits
For example I used to be able to go on Lifetime Television [us]
and see what movies they have made now i have to pay to access it on IMDB PRO
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I understand nothing can be done about this, but as a user (and not just a browser) this is very unfortunate. As you say, many of the features are a decade old, but many of us have been here using ALL Of those features for that decade.
I am sad to see these features go, but again thank you for your honesty.
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Titles like "Untitled x project" are also found under company pages, and depending on what the 'x' stands for, they can also spark my interest.
Also, under companies which are much smaller, like "The Asylum" - I know, they're so bad but they are a guilty pleasure - often the only way I was ever to come across their new titles was through their company page on IMDB. Their Wikipedia page is unreliable and often they don't update their Youtube until it is time for the film's release.
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At the moment advanced title search at http://www.imdb.com/search/title just supports eight companies. We are looking at supporting all companies and then linking the company names across IMDb to the corresponding search. Does this sound okay?
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Obviously IMDb is now aiming at serving the US movie industry. Period. How can you expect to rely on free collaborative input so Amazon can make money with the accumulated data?
The good news is that you are giving away some room for authoritative alternate film data sources, more interested in the universal film history and culture and accuracy. IMDb may be big but its relevance is getting questioned by each new annoucement. As pointed out but several senior users lately, you are not too big to fail...
As fas as I am concerned, as long as flat files with the present full data sets will be available, I will keep on contributing. Then I will be very sorry to turn the page.
V.
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Thanks for the honesty, too. But I am a user, and I have also worked in the IT business for more than 20 years, and witnessed its evolutions: methods, technologies, focuses, capabilities, etc. And therefore I do not understand how you can let go things like this.Please see our comments above and https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/upcoming-changes-to-several-imdb-features-du6man1opd5q0 -- happy to answer questions on the other thread.
Obviously IMDb is now aiming at serving the US movie industry. Period. How can you expect to rely on free collaborative input so Amazon can make money with the accumulated data?The reverse is true -- one of the reasons for deprecating the old systems is they are not remotely compatible with our international expansion plans, and are holding us back from being less US focused. We have a whole section and experience dedicated to India as covered on https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/imdb-india but it is only available in English because of some of these old system limitations.
As fas as I am concerned, as long as flat files with the present full data sets will be available, I will keep on contributing. Then I will be very sorry to turn the page.We are making more data available, updated more frequently and in a format which makes it easy to parse and process. You do need to be a contributor for the full set but we consider this a reasonable requirement. Please see https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/imdb-data-now-available-in-amazon-s3 (in S3 at the moment but we are working on a solution over http for early 2018 as mentioned in the thread).
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I am a contributor and I still can't find where I can access the full set. Can you please assist me?
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YES PLEASE DO THIS!
Thank you :)
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I cannot get to any data of TV or movie production companies previous works - titles I used to get in the past over Imdb.
Every name I try I end up on the pro subscription site.
Is Imdb trying to scare all its users away?
No one will pay their monthly fees for something you can look up over Google.
Best.
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And what about the non-member visitors who just wants to look up at upcoming and previous movies coming from companies like Twentieth Century Fox, and instead they have to register themselves and become members of IMDb Pro just for that. The same if anyone would like to look up to rare companies like JC Films [mx], extinct companies like Edison Manufactoring Company, and animal rights groups like PETA.
And not all people have enough money to become a member of that IMDb Pro.
I'm sorry, but I think this leads to more frustration among the users. So I ask any of the IMDb staff to please make the company filmographies free again, and remove the IMDb Pro redirection, not only for my sake, but for all of the IMDb users as well.
However, this is just my opinion, and I'm sorry if I sound little bit harsh on some parts of my comment. It's just the fact I'm concerned on behalf of the IMDb users who've also been using company filmographies like I've been doing. And if the IMDb Pro redirection remains permanent, then I feel like I'm going crazy.
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I use the IMDb a lot, mainly for fun. And I like to contribute on the site by adding new titles or extra content on existing titles. Speaking of companies, I've been using companies like JC Films, Fernsehen der DDR, MarVista Entertainment, Xces Film, Paramount Pictures, PETA, MPAA, and many more. It was through that kind of searching I've been finding many movie titles I haven't known about, and it was through MarVista I've got to know about "Kiddo the Super-Truck", which I streamed several days ago, just to make an example. The same with searching for titles and directors unheard for me.
So for the time being, I cross my fingers for the company filmography to become free again, and lots of the other features to remain free, even with the new software system. Then I, along with other users and contributors, will be enjoying the site to the fullest again like before. And I don't use any program like AdBlock on the IMDb.
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The same would apply for all companies, so in your examples, companies like JC Films, Fernsehen der DDR, MarVista Entertainment, Xces Film, Paramount Pictures, PETA, MPAA etc. would be linked to their advanced search results similar to Fox.
Does this sound okay?
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It appears as if this is an old bug that has been solved in the past. As of today, I can't get a list of films that A24 or Sundance has distributed; instead I'm offered an opportunity to sign up for Pro. This happens whether I'm clicking on a link on a film's main page or searching for the company.
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From an example above:
We already offer limited company searches on the advanced title search page at http://www.imdb.com/search/title so for example, wherever we reference "20th Century Fox" on the site, the company name would be linked to the corresponding search results, as in http://www.imdb.com/search/title?companies=foxDoes this sound okay?
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It's clear to me (as a former coder) that there will be non-zero work involved with the search solution, and significantly more work to restore the original functionality. IOW, what "simply" here means, is *inexpensively*. Hence the "(mostly)" qualifier -- you decide which features are worth retaining and which are not worth the effort.
I'm rather boggled that you would regard this as something you can punt.
Having some links on the main page direct to Pro -- completely disrupting the user experience -- is itself inconsistent. It's textbook bad user interface design. That it's *mostly * of interest to pros is a terrible justification. You don't put a key link in the corner of the screen because that's mostly problematical for people with slow visual search. You want to accommodate all your users.
That it looks like it was done out of *corporate greed* makes it even worse. Those of us who routinely look at company data will admittedly get used to using whatever search solution you come up with. But what about casual users of the corporate links? What about the film buff who comes home from seeing The Disaster Artist, recognizes A24 as the distributor, and has a vague memory that they also distributed one or more of Lady Bird, The Florida Project, The Killing of a Sacred Deer, Good Time, and A Ghost Story? And now they're curious about the company. When they try to verify their vague memory at IMDB in the most obvious way, by clicking on the A24 link on the Disaster Artist page, they're going to be asked to sign up for Pro. Now they have to either sign up for a trial, or back out of the sign-up dialogue box and try Wikipedia for the info. Really?
Secondly, company data is still data. Where does your data come from in the first place? There is no U.S. distributor listed for the recent, highly acclaimed indie film Columbus. Google says it was distributed by the Sundance Institute, but BoxOfficeMojo has the distributor as "INDEPENDENT," one of a handful of films with that credit. Is the latter an actual distributor, or BOM's catch-all when they don't have the data, either? I did not attempt to research the possible distributors involved because I'm a movie professional (although I do get The Hollywood Reporter for free because of my helpful reviews as IMDB and Amazon), I did so because I AM DEDICATED TO IMPROVING THE DATA AT IMDB for the benefit of OTHER USERS.
If you make it frustratingly hard to update the database ... people are going to stop doing so.
I think this is an easy call. Pay people to write the necessary code.
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all the company links redirects to Pro, what's going on?, is this a bug or are you seriously trying make us pay for something that was free,
if this is a bug, you need to fix this fast
if you tying to charge us for it, why?, what kind of bull crap is this.
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I'm interested in the ATS by Company, for companies beyond the current 8.
My interest is in old movies, and I want to be able to pull a list of musicals produced by RKO (or Republic, or any studio with credits here.)
If I request silent films produced by MGM, I don't want to get Douglas Fairbanks silent films produced by United Artists. (MGM acquired UA inventory a while back.)
I might also want to pull by distributor at some point. For instance, I've watched several indie produced films distribute by Grand National back in the day, which makes me want to isolate their titles to search for others. But this is much lower on my wish list than searching by production co.
Is there a chance the new search will support these distinctions?
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The current data policy still combines the UA and MGM titles under MGM so a search for MGM would return all titles. However, the richer model for companies on IMDbPro means we could look at separating the two company filmographies on IMDbPro, and instead using the company relations data to connect the two listings. This is turn would separate the results as you desire on advanced title search. This will not be top of the priority list in 2018, but it will be easier to do than if we had retained the company credits pages on IMDb.com.
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You will be able to search for any company in isolation.But not be able to distinguish between production and distribution? Because if I could specify production, that should eliminate my problem of getting UA titles during an MGM search.
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I empathize with trying to design a system with millions of users who apply the flexibility of this system in a myriad of ways.
I wonder to what extent they can track access to various features, and what tools they have for analyzing such data.
Do they have a user advisory board, but too small to really span the breadth of usage?
If I were product manager, I doubt that I'd share future ideas with a forum like this, especially given the generalized complaints that some people submit.
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Example: When I click on the Disney company here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1790810/companycredits, I get taken to this Pro page: https://pro-labs.imdb.com/company/co0008970?ref_=ttco_co_2. Can you please make it so that it leads to http://www.imdb.com/search/title?companies=disney&sort=release_date,desc?
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Who came up with the brilliant idea to make basic company information (like what films a company produced, not contact information/financial data etc.) available only to IMDb Pro members? And in the same way removing the simple lists which gave a quick overview of the company credits? For God's sake, please stop these useless changes...
Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Upcoming changes to several IMDb features.
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Does this sound okay?No, it does not sound okay. The advanced search example you gave is not going to replace company filmographies, because it's not restricted by function, so the search result brings up hundreds (or thousands) of thanks and miscellaneous credits as well as production ones. This makes it completely useless. And is there really going to be search support for every obscure film company from the 1910s or 1920s? When? 5 years from now?
This is a terrible change and it's just one more terrible change. When you closed the message boards you said that it wasn't one of the core functions of the site, the core function was to be a film database. But what sort of database takes away the ability to cross-reference the data?
This change not only reduces functionality and greatly reduces the usefulness of IMDb, but it makes it very difficult (if not impossible) to add, check, correct and delete company credits. The only solution I can see is just not to bother submitting them anymore.
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I understand if the software which serves the company filmographies needs to be reprogrammed. However, if it is technically possible to serve the company filmographies on IMDbPro, then it ought to be technically possible to serve them on the free site too, at least after the reprogramming has been completed.
"The complexities of trying to tie company credits across different branches and subsidiaries" may be difficult, but if they are a software problem, then that problem either is being resolved for the Pro users, or it isn't. If it's being resolved for the Pro users, then it can be resolved for the free site users. From that point, it's just a matter of what IMDb chooses to allow to the free site users.
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Of course, it is possible to rebuild dedicated company pages, however, this would mean fewer resources to dedicate to enhancing the more core parts of IMDb. Search is already a core part of the site and something we are stepping up in 2018, so creating a virtual company filmography page via search is our preferred approach. Remember also with company data fully integrated into search, it means other sections which likewise use search can benefit from filtering by company name. It's win-win as they say :-)
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I just wanted to chime in: the company search will only be truly useful if we can distinguish between Production vs. Distribution companies. And that is the only way you would truly replace the (now former) filmography pages with the search function, and truly score that double win.
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What you absolutely cannot do (as I explained earlier in the post with all the upvotes that is, coincidentally I'm sure, the post you didn't respond to) is ask people to join IMDBPro every time they click on a company link. That reads like begging for money to access data that you have advertised as free (and which in some cases was provided to you for free).
While we're improving search, the search by genre absolutely has to have a "[ ] Films in any of these genres (OR)" versus "[ ] Films in all of these genres (AND)" option. I might want a list of all sci-fi, fantasy, and horror films, but I might also want a list of romantic comedies -- which is decidedly not the same as a list of all romances OR comedies.
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https://www.the-numbers.com/market/distributors
You can get upcoming release by distributor easily there, also you can see some recent historical information but not all encompassing. I used the future releases info more than historical.
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What is taking so long to fix those film companies' filmography links pages?!? I am so sick of seeing IMDb Pro ever time I click on a company name. I know you guys are adding a new system to IMDb, but I cant take this any more! I want to see a film company's filmography to help me. I want to know if there is way I can see a company's filmography without being asked to apply to IMDb Pro now please. If this whole problem is not fixed, I am going to spend less time IMDb.
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I may have now found a way to view the entire filmographies of companies, I think.And that is?
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Wow, kudos. I have no idea how you arrived there.
I've bookmarked the page so I can look at some of the smaller studios that arouse my curiosity. (I looked at MGM, and that's hysterically long just for production credits.)
This is useful when I want to see how prolific an Indie studio is/was.
But of course, that still doesn't help me find the Musicals produced by RKO. I wonder when we'll see the more flexible Company search criteria discussed elsewhere in this thread.
Thanks for sharing this!
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