Cast and Crew "complete" ?

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Why does IMDB insist on declaring crew lists as "complete" when they clearly are not?. Unfortunately, IMDB is used as a "reference" in the Industry for checking claimed credits. Its like using Wikipedia as a reference. In other words, not reliable or definitive. People may lose a job if a claimed credit is not listed on a "complete" crew page, and IMDB should make it clear that ALL crew pages are not to be taken as necessarily complete or definitive.
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Please see https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/guide/complete

If know of any titles on IMDb which are labelled complete where there are missing credited cast or crew members (as appropriate) then please let us know. 
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I someone really going to lose a job because his/her 1947 hair stylist credit isn't noted?

And by the way, that page states "complete credited cast."
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Since you decide to be snarky about it, I will ask if you can understand English? I am not talking about whether the credits are accurate, just not COMPLETE as CLAIMED.  If you actually read my post, it CLEARLY refers to the "Full Cast and Crew" page, and "crew verified as complete," BOTH of which are misleading. And BTW, in IMDB there are credits listed as "uncredited". Where, pray tell, did THOSE come from? And how were they "verified"? If you are happy with current AND past crew pages being incorrectly characterized, thats your choice, but users should know that IMDB is as trustworthy as Wikipedia, which is, "sometimes but not always. User beware."
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... And  BTW nowhere that I can see does IMDB indicate CREDITED crew ...
By that you mean that the notes on the title pages and Full Cast & Crew pages don't make it entirely clear that the "complete" notation refers only to the on-screen credits.

Many people are unaware of the Submission Guide that Col mentioned, but FWIW it does include some explanatory notes.  I'll post these excerpts in case you didn't click that link:

> "... The term 'complete' here means that the filmography data on a title page accurately reflects the onscreen cast or crew credits. ..."

> [IMDb is] "... aware that this is an imperfect system and that some titles are marked complete which are not, or which have been edited since they were marked 'complete' ...."

> "... If a cast or crew are incorrectly marked complete, you can use a miscellaneous correction to provide the changes, but be sure to note in that correction that the cast/crew are locked."

Suggestion to IMDb:
For clarity, perhaps consider linking the word "complete" (on title pages and Full Cast & Crew pages) to that submission guide page.  Then, anyone who wants to understand IMDb's use of the term "complete" can click that linked word to have a look at the explanatory notes on that Guide page.
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In a lot of cases, they are added by supplying photos of their face on screen (as the help area suggests).

I understand English.  Just because you're wrong about something and people disagree, rightly, with you doesn't mean they don't understand.

just not COMPLETE as CLAIMED
Again, if there are credits missing, please submit to correct the page(s).

But, again, as I said above, the primary list suggests that it's "credited" cast (then, yes, you can click to see those "uncredited" if/when listed.

IMDb is an factual documentation of the on screen credits for film and TV.  No one in their right and functioning mind would/should think that it will document things no one would know, like if there were more hair stylists than those credited on screen (except maybe the person him/herself or other folks that were there).  It's not IMDb's business to go interviewing people to see if others know if there were others present and what their names are.

The other 250,000,000 visitors per month seem to be getting this.  I've never seen anyone else suggest that complete is not complete because there were uncredited people in the building.  If it's a document of the credits, complete simply means all those names on screen are on the IMDb page.
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Linking to the IMDB definition of "complete" would be useful, yes. I guarantee that 99.9% of your "250,000,000 visitors per month" think they know what "complete" means and would never think that they should search for the true IMDB meaning of the word. And please show where on any Full Cast and Crew page there is an indication that there is an alternate meaning to the word "complete' that users should refer to. Certainly no production manager using IMDB to check a resume would bother to look for the "real" meaning of "complete." 
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Do you have an example?  If so, post about it and it might get fixed.  It usually means that someone added the data, someone verified it and someone then verified that was right.  So, it should be pretty accurate by then.

As to missing data, if it's missing, it usually means no one has submitted it yet. 

Can you describe what you've seen missing?

You certainly could submit it as a "Miscellaneous Correction" and explain (and give a link to an image of the on screen credit) and staff can take a look, open the cast or crew if needed, add it and them close it again.

Otherwise, if it's complete, it's complete.  Leaving it open to changes at such a point makes it inaccurate.  That'd probably be the number one reason to do it.  It also can deter people from adding false info to titles long since worked on by others, making it easier to get faked credits up.

"Complete" or not isn't really the issue.  If it's inaccurate it should be fixed either way.
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See my reply to Col Needham.

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