Could you provide us with the specific contribution submission references so we can take a look in to this for you?
and so many more...
Thanks for your post.
I can see your submissions were rejected as our editors did not think they were eligible for approval. See our title definition guide here:
Also, please note the series must have been designed as a 1 off single season from the beginning, TV Shows which were cancelled after a single season are not eligible for listing as TV Mini Series. This explains why titles such as Band of Brothers and The Pacific contain up to 10 episodes but are still considered mini-series.
I hope this helps explain our policy on this keyword. If you're able to provide further information to help confirm these series are eligible to be TV Mini Series, please let us know!
Thanks for understanding.
As for other examples. A Brazilian site about television called "Tele Dramaturgia" on "miniseries" definition says that "Over time, the miniseries were getting longer, especially from the 2000s, with the historical miniseries of Maria Adelaide Amaral." (auto translated from Portuguese). In study "Epic Television Miniseries: A Critical History" (2010) of John De Vito & Frank Tropea, on introduction says that "the typical miniseries of Golden Age of the Epic Miniseries ('74-'89) ran from eight to twelve hours" (8 to 12-hour episodes, obviously). In this study the authors attempt to record every epic miniseries ever shown and you will not find a single one production with more than 12 episodes!
All-time classic series like "Roots", "Shogun" and so many others (of Jane Austen, of Fyodor Dostoevsky etc.), are more than 4 episodes that IMDB guideline suggest. They are not miniseries? Is the classic "War And Rememberance" ('88-'89) a two-season 12-episode miniseries or not? Is "Centennial" ('78-'79) a 12-episode miniseries or not? Limit is "12" because each "run" of proper TV series is usually (and always was, till recent years that begin with a smaller 1st and getting bigger after that) from 13 episodes to 20+. Comics (as a younger art that is) followed that example calling "limited series" (and sometimes "mini series") the story arcs that consist of 12 issues at most and not more.
In a 10-pages guide called "Television Format & Style Standards" it writes in miniseries term "Limited Series/ Miniseries: (Twin Peaks: The Return, The Night Manager) - The terms "limited series" and "miniseries" are sometimes used interchangeably, but there are small differences between them. Both are reserved almost exclusively for dramas, but include a clear timeline of when the series will end. Limited series last longer, usually between 6 and 12 episodes, while a miniseries is typically 4-6 episodes, sometimes broadcast in blocks of two to create more of an event for the viewer. Either choice is a great option for writers who want to write an idea that needs more time to develop than a feature film, but couldn't see the idea as something to motivate multiple seasons of television. In rare cases, a limited series will get picked up for a second season, but typically the series reboots in a way that is atypical for TV - take the second or third seasons of American Horror Story or Big Little Lies, for instance." I do not suggest creating a "limited series" category (it's obviously a new subcategory and didn't exist back then), though to separate all those series from "TV series" we must submit "tv-mini-series" keyword. Here is an interesting interview with many network chiefs about miniseries, limited series and event series (?) issue as they try to distinguish them, each other: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/heroes-24-whats-difference-between-683563 Another example that the terms are confusing even for reporters you can see in this article of "The Denver Post". For example, I think British networks (and especially "B.B.C.") introduced first the term "Special Episode", something I personally find wrong, when they're calling their Christmas TV movies, their one-shot short mobisodes, or one-shot short webisodes as they should have calling them "TV movies" too. As you can see, there must be an accurate guideline modernized with limitation of twelve episodes, for each one of us to know exactly which production he must enter as such and other databases will follow. Following an obsolete guideline is not taking us nowhere...
As for those shows you said that was cut and cannot be recorded as "miniseries"... Really?? Do you record "short TV Movie" a pilot of a series that never started or not? Do you record "short TV movie" a video clip that distributed first on TV or not? Do you record "short video movie" a straight-to-DVD music video clip or not? Are those legit and you call a limited run of 12 episodes "not a miniseries", regardless if they have (somehow) a scenario closure? Have you ever seen shorts? I've watched over 500 till now and everyone who have been watched a respectable number of such films can reassure you that their closure is not always normal, because they are just limited-scenario films or because some other created as promotions to feature films that never came up. But that's how short films are and we record them by that term. There are of course "video mini series" like this one, and plenty straight-to-VHS/straight-to-DVD documentary productions, but you don't have "web series" and "video series" categories yet...
Besides all mentioned above, have you really made a research just on the references I gave you and you found them all "shows that cutted"? :) Also, I gave you references with submission on genres that weren't passed too, shows of 13 episodes that you were not delete "tv-mini-series" as I submitted. The fact is that every single submission I made was rejected and that is happening in the last 1.5 month and the two previous months the editor(s) passed hundreds of similar TV shows as "tv-mini-series" and of course you can check ALL my references now that you know my IMDB account (that wasn't my fault, I probably didn't find other way to create an account) from 22/10/2018 and back! After all this, you insist that those series was the problem and some other editors deal with me in the next 30 days? :)
”Is the classic "War And Rememberance" ('88-'89) a two-season 12-episode miniseries or not?”
There’s 7-episode ”The Winds of War” (1983), and 12-part ”War and Remembrance” (1988-1989). I believe the latter is not considered having ”two seasons” (even when there was a break). Mini-series can’t really have ”seasons” anyways, that should be quite clear.
This is a very interesting debate. I'll just leave some info here in the hope that it could be helpful.
From title.basics.tsv (1 Nov 2018) and title.episode.tsv (4 Nov 2018):
Total titles: 5,374,112
TV Movie: 126,499
TV Short: 8,756
TV Special: 13,248
Episode: 3,659,530 (107,715 episodes pertain to 15,499 miniseries)
Assigned episodes are more informative, so we'll only take them in consideration for the analysis. (Note: when counting up seasons, the amount of different #Se numbers is used, despite it matches the highest #Se number or not. E.g. if a miniseries has five episodes listed with identifiers #1.2, #1.3, #1.4, #2.1 and #6.1, we'll accept three seasons, not six)
14,740 MINISERIES WITH 99,141 ASSIGNED EPISODES:
Per number of seasons:
With 1 season: 13,737 miniseries (93,2%)
Season has 12 episodes or less: 12,979 miniseries (94,5%)
With 2 seasons: 687 miniseries
All seasons has 12 episodes or less: 582 miniseries (84,7%)
With 3 seasons: 196 miniseries
All seasons has 12 episodes or less: 163 miniseries (83,2%)
With 4 seasons: 61 miniseries
All seasons has 12 episodes or less: 41 miniseries (67,2%)
With 5 seasons: 29 miniseries
All seasons has 12 episodes or less: 19 miniseries (65,5%)
With 6 seasons: 14 miniseries
All seasons has 12 episodes or less: 5 miniseries (35,7%)
With 7 seasons: 6 miniseries
- Bright Summer Night (2016)
- Henriett Seth F. (Seth F. Henriett, Fajcsák Henrietta): Autism TV Channel (2012)
- Mladici i devojke 2 (1969)
- Scrapyard Wars (2015)
- Spoon the Prune (2019)
- Travel Bug Robert (2009)
With 8 seasons: 6 miniseries
- Al sur del tiempo (Microespacios) (2016)
- ATORmentados (2014)
- Big Ideas (2014)
- Helt i skoven (2016)
- JustKiddingFilms (2007)
- Rhod Gilbert's Work Experience (2010)
With 10 seasons: 2 miniseries
- Caracol Más Cerca (2004)
- Detetives do Prédio Azul (2012)
With 12 seasons: 2 miniseries
- El cuento del tío (2004)
- La légende des sciences (1997)
Per total number of (assigned) episodes:
- 478 episodes (10 seasons): Caracol Más Cerca (2004)
- 327 episodes (8 seasons): JustKiddingFilms (2007)
- 280 episodes (1 season): Morning Cross (2014)
- 232 episodes (10 seasons): Detetives do Prédio Azul (2012)
- 218 episodes (5 seasons): Nos chers voisins (2012)
- 211 episodes (4 seasons): Cartoon Conspiracy (2014)
- 181 episodes (4 seasons): BBC Sunday-Night Play (1960-1963)
- 180 episodes (1 season): Bellezas indomables (2007)
- 175 episodes (1 season): Animation Domination High-Def (2012)
- 171 episodes (1 season): Los algos (2007)
- 163 episodes (1 season): The Best of Thomas & Friends Clips (US) (2010)
- 161 episodes (3 seasons): Hiro's (2014)
- 156 episodes (1 season): Toto Nêchan (2016)
- 152 episodes (5 seasons): The Craig Caddell Show (2013)
- 150 episodes (1 season): Svoya komanda (2007)
- 149 episodes (1 season): Apgujeong Midnight Sun (2014)
- 142 episodes (5 seasons): The Diary (2013-2018)
- 133 episodes (1 season): Golden Fish (2010)
- 131 episodes (3 seasons): Verdad consecuencia (1996)
- 130 episodes (1 season): Thomas & Friends: Clips (UK) (2013)
- 129 episodes (1 season): In Still Green Days (2015)
- 128 episodes (1 season): Dueña y señora (2006)
- 127 episodes (2 seasons): Mala istorija Srbije (2014)
- 125 episodes (1 season): The Return of Hwang Geum-Bok (2015)
- 123 episodes (1 season): Save the Family (2015)
- 121 episodes (1 season): Only My Love (2014)
- 121 episodes (1 season): The Great First Wives (2015)
- 120 episodes (1 season): Your Lady (2013)
- 113 episodes (1 season): Indomitable Daughters-in-Law (2011)
- 113 episodes (3 seasons): Mother and Daughter (2012)
- 112 episodes (1 season): Weekly Literacy (2014)
- 111 episodes (1 season): Iron Lady Cha (2015)
- 108 episodes (1 season): Le Carré de Sable (2016)
- 108 episodes (1 season): Sumit Sambhal Lega (2015)
- 102 episodes (5 seasons): Jordan Hates (2012)
- 101 episodes (1 season): Chimata no hanashi (2014)
- 101 episodes (1 season): Love on a Rooftop (2015)
- 101 episodes (3 seasons): You're Under Arrest! (1996-2008)
- 100 episodes (1 season): Punto de giro (2003)
- 75-99 episodes: 14 miniseries
- 50-74 episodes: 51 miniseries
- 25-49 episodes: 251 miniseries
- 13-24 episodes: 861 miniseries
- 1-12 episodes: 13,523 miniseries
Interestingly, if we do the maths including every single episode listed (assigned or not), then the following miniseries stand out as well:
- 1,362 episodes!!: YouHumour (2008)
- 432 episodes: Montreux Comedy (2009)
- 231 episodes: Dishing Tea with Big Meach (2009)
The limit must be 12 episodes regardless if a show is ended or not and seasons there should not be an obstacle to characterized them as that. Just to have 12 episodes. You have to pull a line here and not allow submissions on shows more than 12 episodes to be on that category. From 13 episodes and above it's a proper "TV series". Those wonderful statistics of ljdoncel above are more than enough to understand which productions must be called as "mini series", from so many years of feeding! Those from "7 seasons" and above must be removed from that category. Not all of them! Just those they have over 12 episodes like "Bright Summer Night".
On some of them, also, we don't have the proper episode lists and episode numbers, so we might make mistakes on submissions, but eventually we will have the proper info and we can correct it. Basic thing is to have a proper guideline for each feeder to know how he can proceed and the one that you already have is obsolete. It says nothing. Keep in mind of 12 episodes and that must be all we need to know. From 2 episodes and above it's pretty obvious that we have a "series" and not an one-shot production, so it's not needed to be mentioned at all. About number of minutes, I don't know if there are TV movies with more than 240 minutes duration (I don't think so, though), so I don't know if it's a proper instruction. I presume you can see that by statistics too. From 2 to 12 episodes it's a mini series, even if we have plenty of seasons or 90-minute long episodes, or if an under development series ended prematurely. It didn't started as mini series but it was ended like this, as some shows start experimenting with few episodes and end up in sequel and season-filled episodes! For example, if "666 Park Avenue" had 12 episodes, it could definitely count as "TV mini series"! It was ended by network and it ends with no cliffhangers. Sorry about my bad English language, I try to make myself quite understandable...
Thanks very much, your skills are much appreciated! I've cleared the mini-series tag from all of the ttconsts with more than one confirmed season however it seems more risky to do so on the titles with an "unknown season" en masse, this would require a detailed contributor audit.
You asked from us to supply examples and I've already gave you opinions from some big networks' chiefs, encyclopedic term and some examples on shows, but you chose to ignore me, doing otherwise without even arguments. Seasons does not matter at all. Number of episodes does. Here is an undeniable fact: Number of episodes define if each production is a movie or a series (from 2 parts we definitely talk about series), number of episodes define if we have TV series or TV mini series (regardless of whether or not we disagree on the number of episodes), number of episodes is the key to use proper that term. Not seasons! Seasons arising and related with release dates. It's a release dates' characteristic and not one for production's category. If the network decides, for its own reasons (technical, business, if it has to do with the scriptwritting or anything else), to split a miniseries to more than one season, then we have more than one season on a miniseries. Now you're coming and say that every feeder and every editor all these years, chose wrongly to pass those countless series as "mini series", for what? Any argument at all? Any sources to support your claims? The obvious thing any should say that primarily we should remove series that have dozens and hundreds of episodes from the statistics above, not be listed as a mini-series anymore and not choose by season number. But to do that you need to end up with the number of episode that consist a mini series.
By the way, I still see the same guideline over there that writes about "2 to 4 episodes only" as a mini series. And that "TV" has to be changed of course. Mini series there on streaming platforms as well, as of course on VHS and DVDs, decades ago. I wonder if it's really so difficult to be edited. Primetime Emmys are deadly wrong on their definition. If that was proper, then I can think of 10 series based on Stephen King's novels that "should not be considered as miniseries" as they claim, like "It", "The Tommyknokers", "Langoliers", "Red Rose", "Firestarter 2: Rekindled", " and dozens other shows besides Stephen King's novels. As Wikipedia mentions, Stuart Cunnigham on "Textual Innovation in the Australian Historical Mini-series" defines a miniseries as "a limited run program of more than two and less than the 13-part season or half season block associated with serial or series programming.".