Batman series are not Adventure actually. Need help!

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Batman series BATMAN BEGINS, THE DARK KNIGHT, THE DARK KNIGHT RISES have unusual genre pattern like say BB- ACTION/ADVENTURE, TDK-ACTION/CRIME/DRAMA/THRILLER & TDKR-ACTION/THRILLER. I need to make all 3 film genres into ACTION CRIME DRAMA THRILLER. As said though its a superhero film, it has main aspect of crime and drama (The Dark Knight and Batman Begins) rather adventure (Batman Begins). Thanks regards Harsh.
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Hi, Harshad Chopra. First of all, have you checked to see all of which genres are assigned to each movie? Not all of the genre assignments will necessarily be listed on the main/root page (whether default view or reference view) for any movie, if there are more than three assignments or so. Have you tried submitting corrections to any of the corresponding IMDb title pages? If so, what are the 18-digit reference numbers of those submissions? If not, please see https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/contribution-information/correcting-existing-data/GPFQGX9CFSHW5YUX# for some information about how to do so, and please also bear in mind that there is also a genre guide to be observed. For The Dark Knight series, we should first discuss the situation a bit, by the way. We should definitely want to ask whether or not all three installments belong to the same set of genres. I'd largely agree that they do. Without question, they belong to the action genre and the crime genre. I find the matter of keeping/assigning "drama", "thriller" or "adventure" to be debatable, though. Hopefully some fans and movie connoisseurs will opine. Ultimately, it will be important to see how the IMDb site authorities assess the matter.
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Most likely Batman Begins is seen by some as having an adventure element that the sequels perhaps do not, since there is a part of the movie where Bruce Wayne wanders aimlessly until going on something of a short quest. The guide defines the "adventure" genre as having the characteristic of containing "numerous consecutive and inter-related scenes of characters participating in hazardous or exciting experiences for a specific goal." With that in mind, the classifications are perhaps the opposite. In Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne never really adopts a specific goal that winds up involving him navigating a cascade of obstacles. Whereas in The Dark Knight, he is almost immediately put on the path of stopping the Joker, yet it is a dual-protagonist dual-story, with Harvey Dent pursuing an adjacent goal of convicting primarily Maroni. Likewise, The Dark Knight Rises becomes in short order about preventing Gotham from being blown up, as Bane previously overthrows the established civil authority rather quickly.
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Actually Crime n Drama are in all series. Scarecrow, Joker And Bane adds thrill but Wayne is battling his own demons. Secondly not all superhero films are Adventure. Also i read the genre leaflet and find that it must be dealt with ACTION CRIME DRAMA AND THRILLER. I generally deal with Genre issues (will do so in future) also months back Batman Begins had its genre Thriller removed without any rhyme or reason, which isnt acceptable!
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A thriller "Should contain numerous sensational scenes or a narrative that is sensational or suspenseful." Are we to understand correctly that suspense as a concept involves a lot of not being sure what will happen next despite expecting the dramatic or the horrific at the same time as hoping for an uplifting outcome? I guess all three movie meet the criteria, but maybe the suspense stands out most in The Dark Knight and perhaps the least in Batman Begins, which probably shouldn't matter, if each one is suspenseful enough. The IMDb guidelines on the "thriller" genre classify the concept as subjective.
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Yes thats what i say It must have CRIME N DRAMA. Thats why this forum is opened
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I'd say that in case of Nolan trilogy it does have strong adventure elements in each and single movie (Begins with League subplot, The Dark Knight with Hong Kong and The Dark Knight Rises with The Pit and a few more exotic locations). 
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Hi Harshad -

Please keep in mind that the "Adventure" genre is subjective, if there are titles on the site (such as those you referenced for the Batman series) with genres that you feel are listed incorrectly or are missing, you are welcome to submit the Genre additions/deletions through our online Update form, you will also be able to include an Explanation to argue your case for adding or removing the genre and our editors will take a look.
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Whats going on! The Adventure Part was edited n saved again reverted to Adventure. (See below comment for references made few hours back) I mean why this belittling?
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Harshad Chopra, there seems to be some debate about whether to keep or remove the "Adventure" from the genre listing for Batman Begins. I wish whosoever is a staunch advocate of applying this genre to the movie would come forward if he/she could. I would say, that if Batman Begin is "adventure" then its two sequels also are, and that if it is not then its two sequels may also not be.
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I dont agree. I even added Adventure to DARK KNIGHT & ITS SEQUEL but they removed the genre. I will have it published and wont close this forum unless an outcome is nt there!!
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Yes they are incomplete and this is ref for BATMAN BEGINS 180907-081935-061000 and DARK KNIGHT RISES 180907-082041-928000. Please look and update as soon as u can. Thanks
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KNOCK KNOCK
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Who's there?
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Im here
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Hi Harshad,

Thanks for your post.

As mentioned in previous comments, genres are subjective to the individual and where possible we try to capture the most common ones associated with a title. There will always be circumstances where people are unable to agree on a genre and these will come down to our internal vetting decisions. We always encourage users to submit updates via the Edit Page button.

If you have submitted updates and these have not been approved, it means our editors do not believe the changes to be accurate.

Thanks for your understanding and continued support. 

Joel 
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But thats not right! The facts dont change
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Harshad,

According to you, what facts in movie make up its tagging as "Adventure" for certain? (Or whatever genre you are struggling for, I am lost...)
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Hi, Vincent Fournols. He wants to remove the "adventure" genre from being assigned to Batman Begins. The rest of us seem uncertain about whether or not it should be removed. It might be easier and more appropriate to assign the genre to all three movies. Trying to prove that Batman Begins does not belong to the "adventure" genre might be a tall order. As I cited before, the guide defines the "adventure" genre as having the characteristic of containing "numerous consecutive and inter-related scenes of characters participating in hazardous or exciting experiences for a specific goal." Maybe to some people, including me, it is not clear at what specific goal was had at or shortly after the outset of the whichever character's journey. The plot isn't structured like The Wizard of Oz or Lord of the Rings, despite being a variation of "The Hero's Journey".
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Thanks for the clarification, Jeorj. At the risk of repeating myself, for me genres are the most fuzzy and uninteresting things about a movie. Useless as well, as this thread testifies :)
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Unlike with the way things were on the retired IMDb·Com message boards, unfortunately not a lot of feedback can be expected on this forum on matters like applicability of genres to particular movies. Even though there was a lot of flame wars and trolls on the boards for "cult" blockbuster superhero movies, along with polite but irrelevant socializing; there was also some amount of decent discussion, exploration, analysis, curiosity and conjecture about the content of cinema and television. Regardless, we movie connoisseurs can scarcely get feedback from the actual studios, as far as major studios go.
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Ok. This discussion is closed. Injustice prevails (i knew that everyone goes their way indeed it maybe wrong but yes they will)
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Well, by replying to or commenting on this thread, we prevent it from growing stale.
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"injustice"???????
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His passions are a little over the top. Sort of like William Shatner's acting in the 60's early 70's! LOL
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CliffJ, I guess without people who have over-the-top passion for film IMDb wouldn't have been as great as it is now. Some people called me over the top on that matter many times (partially they were right, I guess)...
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You're a "Double Shatner", in a good way though!! LOL
Extreme thoughtful and reserved too.
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Its not a joke. By the way, i m also not loitering around this thread because my actual previous edits for other films were not preserved. Actually I read Genre Leaflet (Thank God in real sense) what happens other people delete "Drama" and "Romance" from Indian films as they know more than editors and yes they make edits on this despite raising questions on several times on this board. A fine example. And brother Cliff, what if i add Romance in CONJURING, is it fine or u say Yes you can???
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Thanks for the replies friends. Im sorry that this discussion is not that great and a complete 100% DSAT (dissatisfied). Take care all and God bless (K)
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You dismiss me because of my brevity. Life IS and adventure. One in order to embark on one's life's adventure, one should do so with joy in his/her heart. I may have seemed to invoke ridicule by way of brevity. That was not my intention, it is in my nature to be "Happy". I would never ask one to become something they are not. Nor should anyone chastise another for being his own person.

Now with that out of the way......Batman "Is" Adventure by all definitions!

         I have to be here and someone has to reply my questions as they are
valid (indeed and please a request). Because everyone is making things worse n you guys are supporting them immorally?

WOW Really? No one has to be here. Most of us here like being here exchanging ideas. No one HAS to reply to me! Valid or not! Nothing here makes life or things worse. It is the exact opposite. . To see something you never saw before because of the enlightenment of a new idea. That's an adventure!


In the Introduction to the Encyclopedia of Adventure Fiction, Critic Don  D'Amassa defines the genre as follows:

.. An adventure is an event or series of events that happens outside the course of the protagonist's ordinary life, usually accompanied by danger, often by physical action. Adventure stories almost always move quickly, and the pace of the plot is at least as important as characterization, setting and other elements of a creative work.

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Another

Adventure is a genre of literature that features stories of adventure, such as world travel, difficult quests, voyages of discovery, and other journeys. ... Today, we define adventure as a remarkable or unexpected journey, experience, or event that a person participates in as a result of chance.


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Definition of action-adventure From Websters Dictionary

: featuring characters involved in exciting and usually dangerous activities and adventures The movie is closer to an action-adventure thriller than a journalistic account, but energetic acting and vigorous directing make it work harrowingly well on its own terms.


Another

Adventure Story
A genre of fiction in which action is the key element, overshadowing characters, theme and setting. ... The conflict in an adventure story is often man against nature. (NATURE=BATMAN'S FEAR OF BATS) A secondary plot (GOTHAM CITY DANGER) that reinforces this kind of conflict is sometimes included. In Allistair MacLean’s Night Without End, for example, the hero, while investigating a mysterious Arctic air crash, also finds himself dealing with espionage, sabotage and murder. (THE HERO BATMAN PROTECTS HIS CITY)


Another

ADVENTURE NOVEL: Any novel in which exciting events and fast paced actions are more important than character development, theme, or symbolism. Examples include Alexandre Dumas's The Count of Monte Cristo and The Three Musketeers, H. Rider Haggard's King Solomon's Mines, or Edgar Rice Burrough's Tarzan of the Apes.


Another

In an adventure story, someone leaves everything he or she knows, faces danger and excitement along the way, and with a little luck, gets to his or her final destination safely and with a story to tell. Adventure stories have been around since Homer's Iliad and Odyssey. In short, they are engrained into human consciousness. But what exactly makes a story an adventure story? What has to exist to separate a story about a journey and make it adventurous? In this lesson, a number of traits of adventure stories will be examined by looking at how some of the greatest adventure stories ever told fit these archetypes.

First of all, there are some crucial components that have to exist for a story to be considered an adventure story. Most importantly, something out of the ordinary has to happen to the protagonist. A story about an eight year old going to school is not an adventure story. But if that day, the class was on a field trip to the paddleboat downtown and the protagonist ended up floating down the river? (OR BRUCE WAYNES PARENTS MURDERED) Now, that could be an adventure story.


Another

Collins English Dictionary

If someone has an adventure, they become involved in an unusual, exciting, and rather dangerous journey or series of events.


Another

Adventure stories feature physical action and courageous heroes who save others from danger or impending doom. The adventure genre of fiction is fast-paced and usually centers on a protagonist in a dangerous or risky situation. Adventure fiction overlaps other genres, such as romance, spy thrillers, military adventures and Westerns. Science fiction novels always contain elements of adventure.

Another.

Adventure
Definition
: Literary genre pertaining to an exciting
or very unusual experience, participation in
exciting undertakings or enterprises, a bold,
usually risky undertaking, or hazardous action of
uncertain outcome.
Examples
:
Wild Timothy; Tracks in the Snow; The
Incredible Journey; Island of the Blue Dolphins;
Hatchet; The Whipping Boy; The Princess Bride
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If IMDb's definition is not the the only definition that matters here, then the IMDb submission guidelines should be updated to reflect such.
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All those definitions that I researched on the web, were either from dictionary's or from colleges or elite resources. By all those Def's Batman IS an Adventure Movie.
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If IMDb's definition is not the the only definition that matters here, then the IMDb submission guidelines should be updated to reflect such.
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The city so nice they named it twice New York, New York.
Mary Hartman Mary Hartman
I'm seeing double Jeorj! Gotta get my eyes checked! LOL
Kidding!
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Losing an argument is adventure in life lessons. Learn and grow.
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So as you can see I agree with you. Why would you treat me so Bad?
But just because the IMDb does not see it this way.....I'm not loosing sleep over it. Neither should you.
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Brother, here i got to learn a thing, edits are not respected and do whatever as they please. I am an actor as well that's why i argue for genres and will do unless my voice doesnt reach to the superiors of imdb.
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Harshad,

This topic is tagged as "answered", so it is quite unlikely that an IMDb staff will visit it again and continue any discussion.
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The forum administrators have left this GS topic open so that we can figure it on our own. Michelle and Joel are still following this topic as well, but without any new evidence being presented, they probably won't have much to express on the matter.
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We understand that Vince and Jeorj.
But he still wants to talk about it. It is only respectful to reply. Even if it is not what he want's to hear.
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Of course, and contributors cannot help the company, if the company is stubborn. Likewise, the company cannot help contributors, if the contributors are stubborn. There is a major problem in that it is hard for contributors to identify other contributors' contributions and to communicate with each other accordingly. It's not like Wikipedia.
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A rejected submission is not to be interpreted as disrespect to another. You are asking for another to do what pleases you only. The employees and champions that have opined here are the one you need to reach. They are the superiors. There is however one above all. He literally reads all posts that have as much activity as this. You can be assured that the top person has seen this. If he felt the need to interject he would or may still do so. Sit back. Relax. Not winning an argument is not the end of the world. Genres just flat out overlap each other. Action adventures can be dramatic. Or Comedic Or Both. In the big scheme of things, this is just not that Important. That is unless the Genre is "WAY" off! The argument you have been making here is splitting hairs. They have not been labeled as Comedies. Or Romances. Please you will not sway anyone here. You are not the definitive authority that we should defer to. The "MANY" Employees and others that IMDB relies on (A collective if you will) think all this through. No one person makes a decision. It is a collaborative decision.
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Quite a good speech, Cliff, except for the last 2 sentences :) The decision making process is not that obvious... And if we the contributors had a say in it, many choices would have been different... IMDb is not Wikipedia (where decision making is strictly a collaborative process, and can be a real hassle, you can take my word for it :)
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Internal (Them) not external (Us) Collaboration. LOL That's what I meant.
Oh I almost forgot ....Thanks.
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Yes, indeed, and I anticipate: as long as money comes in and Jeff B. does not oppose it... ;)
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Yeah, it's like tenant farming.
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Victoria Tennant farming!! Her birthday is in 9 Days. 68 years young.
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Merge maybe? All genre related. All Chopra's
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All discussions are closed mr Cliff!!
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I wonder why discussions regarding the same topic (Genre) would be closed. What makes the Poll Administrator close them? Why? This is still open. Why have you not asked that question? Ask it and see what people think. Cheers.
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Here Indian editors think only two scenes although not prolonged are Action films. What they have a mentality that they must keep the genres only one or two. I actually loathe them as I myself as an Indian feels ashamed. Secondly i had raised these above genres that still many of Indian films genre has been deleted EITHER ONE OR TWO GENRE policy. If i open these issues again, the editors wont get a darn chance to defend those INDIOTS (Indian Idiots)
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That's why this war against INDIOTS is fair and Community must have to adhere it.
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If you listen, please foward this to editors. There is a film called TRUTH ALONE TRIUMPHS (2018) where there are numerous scenes of melodrama (a man commits suicide, numerous torment and melodramatic scenes) only has Action and Thriller. Is this what they call Civilized Edits if yes then mind me if i tell you India has highest illiteracy rate. This defines it.
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Harshad Chopra, okay. Thanks for bringing that to our attention. I will look into it.
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Obviously because i like the way Hollywood film genres are treated. Even there are other films which genres are tampered and molested much to my annoyance.
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This is such a big "academic" subject, it is not going to be easy to completely understand it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_genre.
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I read tht already. I m an actor as well and i do understtand QUITE CLEAR BRO.
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What makes the Poll Administrator close them? Why? Please answer. I would like your opinion on this question? We have all replied to you thoughts. Please respond in kind!
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Why do your conversations repeatedly get closed?
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Because Indiots are right in eyes of these editors.
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no
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YES BRO. There is a saying CAT DRINKS MILK BY CLOSING THEIR EYES AND THEY THINK THERE IS NO ONE WATCHING. I can see everything...
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Everything below are your words You are a very polite man. A good hearted man. Thoughtful. Passionate.
Example: Thanks for the replies friends. Im sorry that this discussion is not that great and a complete 100% DSAT (dissatisfied). Take care all and God bless (K)
See.....You are nice!

Then there is this you below;
(Note: You use please a a lot. That's the nice you!)
One thing I have noticed is you discuss several movies and their changes in one Posting.
Suggestion. One Submission #, One movie, and One argument at a time. It will be a lot easier for all to give an opinion on the one Movie. Comparing it to another is OK. But discussions of several titles can lead to one person commenting about one title and having it being mistaken for a comment on a title that was not the topic. It's too confusing. Also only one of your 5 Genre posts are closed. All 5 have been considered "answered" though! 4 are still open. Thanks Cheers.
Mr. Crook i have added them. But again Romance genres has been deleted in hour or two by another illiterate chap!
Although AIRLIFT is I repeat NOT AN ACTION FILM
Now someone will remove in hour or two. Mr. Crook I'll like to inform you that I'm not wrong and if some chap doesn't agrees with me doesn't mean you term them right.
I"ve added nearly 1000 times War genre. That's not fair that the films I've mentioned as War films rejected each second each minute. Well I'll give a try or else I have to come here again to get Sorted.
I mean thats not acceptable as an editor that's my major concern.
(Padmaavat 2018) This has been added finally but make sure it mustnt get deleted as it has WAR scenes.
I dont actually like to nudge you for silly reasons but I cannot tolerate unwanted edit or removal of right ones. Please try to co operate with me and I will co operate with u all!
180601-084500-203000 for the ATTACKS OF 26/11. Please do not revert the edit and keep intact!
Please please never revert this edit. Humble request Michelle pleaseeeee...
Because i dont agree to what others say as long as the film has numerous (i repeat numerous scenes) of fantasised action with a "pinch" of sport and that is why I m here and wont go without a resolution!!
Whats going on! The Adventure Part was edited n saved again reverted to Adventure. (See below comment for references made few hours back) I mean why this belittling?
I wish whosoever is a staunch advocate of applying this genre to the movie would come forward if he/she could.
I dont agree. I even added Adventure to DARK KNIGHT & ITS SEQUEL but they removed the genre. I will have it published and wont close this forum unless an outcome is nt there!!
Brother, here i got to learn a thing, edits are not respected and do whatever as they please. I am an actor as well that's why i argue for genres and will do unless my voice doesnt reach to the superiors of imdb.
That's why this war against INDIOTS is fair and Community must have to adhere it.


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Brother here everything is DISORDERED and I am much of a VIGILANTE to break those Indiots backbone. I cant tolerate this and not acceptable.
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Thanks Cliff actually I am an educated man not like Indiots who bring shame.
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I know that. Just take my advice so as to simplify it for all. One Topic. One Post. One Confirmation Number. Thanks Cheers
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Whats d use then? Indiots will revert it. Please make sure u saw my previous convos.
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They belittled me each time, but i wont face defeat. Each time i faced after opening a discussion.
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One Topic. One Post. One Confirmation Number. Thanks Cheers
Let this go. Move on and stick to the 1 & 1 & 1 Formula!
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Pls explain how?
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Dont wait until 4-6 or ten submissions have not been accepted. One film. One Confirmation number rejected. One post here for each. 1 + 1 + 1 If you have 6 rejections. Six separate posts. Dont let them build up. Post here the day after its past the submission times guide.
https://contribute.imdb.com/times?ref_=helpms_ch_ci_processing

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Right, don't keep submitting information that will keep being declined, since it might fuck up your internal contribution reliability rating.
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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Fraq me, Jeorj!!! LOL No swearing in front of the children! Oh and HDHOne
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Jeorj Euler

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[laugh]
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Harshad Chopda

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Funny! I'll try that and thnx fr ur support!!!!!
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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Good Luck! Cheers
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Harshad Chopda

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Hey Cliff heres a new issue case https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topi... this is my strong indication to editors as they think i dnt read genre leaflet. They are gravely mistaken.
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Bro i can leave my acting fees but not my DEDICATIONS FOR GENRE
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I can tell that "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy was full of adventure, as Frodo needed to destroy the Ring in the Mordor Mountain. But, well... I enjoyed playing Batman as a video game, and the reason I was glued to the screen was of the adventure element! How the Batman would save the Gotham from Joker! I think, it is an Adventure trilogy. No, don't say, it is a drama, or even comedy lolz! I knew, Hollow Man was a horror genre film, but it was listed Sci-Fi, but recently I guess, Horror genre was added! :)
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Harshad Chopda

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Bro here all are Mahatma Gandhi's monkey SEE HEAR SPEAK nothing.
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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Submission # and a specific complaint about a rejection on that title is needed.
Thanks Cheers.
Don't forget to start a new thread. This one is not being monitored.
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Harshad Chopda

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Not monitored i knw that, however which submission u talked abt. That one which was closed without any consensus? I will make sure that this will be escalated.
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Harshad Chopda

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And all discussions on my thread that was not actioned
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Well, I guess, you are wrong... Mahatma Gandhi's 3 Monkeys are not hovering anywhere close on the IMDb; they can see, hear & speak very well! Lolz! You are pointing your fingers on a feature film saga of "Batman", which itself tells that, you know kinda' everything (self proclaimed ofcourse)! You think that, the entire cast, crew & the majority audiences were wrongly believing that, they are watching an Adventure feature film?! Huh?! I guess, you should go and make/produce a Batman fan-film, without Adventure! Nothing personal, but these kind of complaint wastes many peoples' precious time! Peace!

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Kaus S Go to his home page and see what your dealing with.
You'll get a better picture. Read all his posts. We all here have thrown up our hands and given up reasoning with him. Cheers
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Lolz! But, why is he complaining like this?! Anyways... I should say, being an Indian myself, I deeply respect Mahatma Gandhi, as the Father of the Nation; but his 3 Monkey principle has nothing to do anything here! Peace!
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I was the one who made The 3 comment to another person. He picked up on it.
Best to leave him alone. Most everyone here has. Cheers
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Kalkin

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Oh okay! I will keep myself quiet then... take care.
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Jeorj Euler

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Sometimes the majority is wrong.
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Harshad Chopda

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https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/indian... CLIFF, this is what I am. Not the one you are noticing. Also this war is not with u, only with the editors!
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Well, I acknowledge the fact that, you are a good Actor, but still can't agree with the Adventure genre thing. Pardon me. 
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Jeorj Euler

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The point is to know why.
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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Shhhh don't wake up Harshad Chopda