Archive footage/uncredited credit declined for The Kids Are Alright

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The Valentine's Days episode for The Kids Are Alright features some clips of late night standup from Rodney Dangerfield and Henny Youngman. Interestingly enough, the (archive footage) (uncredited) addition of Henny Youngman was accepted but Rodney Dangerfield was not. So, I submit this picture showing that Rodney Dangerfield actually did appear. (Technically, this could be a movie connection as it is a late night show but given this is set in the 70s, a lot of episodes don't exist in the database and just going on appearance would be impossible to determine the source.)


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10 months ago
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This has been correctly rejected because it is ineligible, please see the “No degrees of separation” rule on https://help.imdb.com/article/contrib...
2019-02-27T03:15:28+00:00
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Again, then you are being inconsistent as Henny Youngman was accepted.  Also, this is an entirely different case as you cannot determine what show that Rodney Dangerfield appeared in. Unlike your "no degrees of separation" rule, no one can tell exactly what program that Rodney Dangerfield appeared in. If this is a case of "no degree of seperation" (and I will argue it isn't be cause the program cannot be identified) why was it not applied equally to Henny Youngman.

Unlike your "no degrees of separation", this cannot be identified as a movie connection because the episode is unknown, as I stated in the original post.
2019-02-27T03:15:54+00:00
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How else is this connection to be recognized?
2019-02-27T03:17:57+00:00
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No degree of separation does not take in to consideration an unknown program being shown. Unlike the example, where the movie can be known the clips of Henny Youngman and Rodney Dangerfield are from a completely unknown (and possibly unknowable) source.
2019-02-27T03:20:10+00:00
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Also, in the same guide: "The archive footage attribute is used for footage that was shot for an earlier, usually unidentified, production"

This is exactly what is shown. It is footage of an unknown, unidentified production.
2019-02-27T03:22:45+00:00
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The Henry Youngman credit has already been targeted for termination (as Kyle Reese might say). It should never have been accepted, sorry. The rules are on the link above and are designed for good reason. If no other case applies, the credit cannot be recorded, however, you could add it as a trivia item on the title instead.
2019-02-27T03:29:11+00:00
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And yet, you are violating your own rules. These are "footage that was shot for an earlier, usually unidentified, production". They meet your archive footage rule.

If not, please identify the source of the footage so we can add the connections.
2019-02-27T03:33:26+00:00
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Please read the whole page carefully, especially “If an actor appears in a film shown as being watched on TV in a scene of another film, then the first film clip is not eligible as archive footage.”
2019-02-27T03:35:10+00:00
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This is not "another film". It is an unknown late night TV show. So, again, this rule as stated does not apply.
2019-02-27T03:36:11+00:00
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However, as I have stated multiple times, it does fall under "footage that was shot for an earlier, usually unidentified, production".
2019-02-27T03:38:08+00:00
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If it cannot be linked under a known "connection" then it should qualify for an archive footage. That seems to be the spirit of the rule. This cannot be linked, so it should qualify for "archive footage".
2019-02-27T03:48:47+00:00
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You tell me "read the whole page carefully, especially “If an actor appears in a film shown as being watched on TV in a scene of another film".

I would suggest you do the same and you would see why this does not apply.
2019-02-27T17:58:03+00:00
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I see Ed has helpfully located this now (thanks). 

We have updated the guide text to change "film" to "title" as it was never intended for this policy not to apply to TV-shows.  It's just a case of an ancient guide surviving many reviews without anyone noticing that by "film" we mean any title and there's no special case for TV-shows.  Thanks for helping us clarify this. 
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Just in case anyone is interested, that Dangerfield on the TV screen is from The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson . You can tell that because of the curtains in the background. If your looking for a connection.


Image result for rodney dangerfield on the tonight show with johnny carson

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2019-02-27T04:13:57+00:00
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But can you tell which episode? Otherwise, it isn't a really a useful observation.
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2019-02-27T04:23:47+00:00
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You tell me what year and I'll dig it out if I can.
2019-02-27T04:29:12+00:00
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Those curtains were used between 1974-1982
2019-02-27T04:29:48+00:00
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He had approx 30 guest appearances.

2019-02-27T04:40:44+00:00
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Was thinking about it and any one of his appearances during that period would qualify. Complete date accuracy is not an issue. Just that it is correct with respect to the show that it originates from.

You Tube
Carson Can’t Keep Up with Rodney Dangerfield’s Non-Stop One-Liners (1974)
Here it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2gw-asbBIM



And your episode IS
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5780912/?ref_=adv_li_tt

The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson (1962–1992)

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Doris Day/Rodney Dangerfield/Burt Mustin/Carol Wayne  1h 45min | Comedy, Talk-Show | Episode aired 2 September 1974





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2019-02-27T04:46:20+00:00
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Oh And I AM SURE!
2019-02-27T04:49:40+00:00
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When it come to the 60's and 70's US television, Impossible is not really a term for me.
Unless it was daytime soaps! LOL
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