Archive footage crew deletions being rejected when such credits are no longer allowed on IMDb.

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On examining the crew credits on-screen for a best-of episode of a series (actually more like a standalone special), I find a few credits that are for archive footage (the best-of material, credited as "flashbacks"), but they are listed on the IMDb page without that attribute. When I add that attribute in the edit box it gives me an error saying IMDb no longer accepts crew credits for archive footage, and I can't submit it. But when I submit a deletion instead, it's declined with an "unable to verify" reason.

There was one other crew credit on the page that doesn't appear on screen, and it looks like it might possibly be uncredited but only for the archive footage, though I see no evidence of this and how would one prove an uncredited crew member anyway? That person appears on some previous episodes. Deletion of this, which I think is proper, is declined with an "unable to verify" which is kind of duh that's why I'm deleting it.

Also there are 2 crew credits (writers category) that are listed on the page as "created by", which I think should only be on the main series page, right? They apply to the best-of/flashbacks/archive footage anyway, so they should be deleted for that reason. In any case, those credits don't appear on-screen on this episode. (Their names appear for other credits as "written by".) But the deletions were declined with "unable to verify", another duh.

I also have an unrelated problem with an addition to crew, but it's on the same title so I'll include it here. There are 2 crew credits on-screen which I added to the page, as they were missing. One was accepted (Lighting Director), the other declined (a second Editor, as there are two) for yeah you guessed it unable to bloody verify. Why one and not the other? This one can at least be verified on-screen, as it's not a deletion, it's not a negative.

Title is tt0291751. My submission number for everything is 200413-004110-735000.

The biggest obvious problem is how do you verify a negative? The credits that don't appear on-screen should never have been accepted in the first place, and the archive footage credits should never have been added without that attribute. They all should be deleted.
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Nikolay Yeriomin (Mykola Yeromin), Champion replied:

 Also there are 2 crew credits (writers category) that are listed on the page as "created by", which I think should only be on the main series page, right?

No, not right in the slightest. Each episode should feature full credit transcripts when it comes to cast and crew. The only exceptions whould be co-called shell episodes, in cases when episodes of other series are featured. The only case that comes to my mind to illustrate that from the top of my head is "The Master" (1984) episodes featured on "Mystery Science Theater 3000" (1988-1999).

Regarding situation as a whole: archive footage crew credits are usually not permitted per IMDb guidelines, except, of course, cases when they are actually credited (despite being archive footage) plus some case-to-case exceptions in which most of the movie is archive footage, although they also usually only use credited crew. Refer to Arrow: Year One (2013) as an example: a TV movie comprised with compressed footage of the first season of "Arrow" (2012-2020).


@Nikolay:

Hi Nikolay, glad to get a reply from you. All I ever see is you "like" every one of my posts, but you never say anything. Was wondering. :)

Perhaps I didn't explain the problem well. The two "created by" credits are NOT credited in the title in question. Why would they even be included, then? Uncredited cast can be included, but they must have the attribute "uncredited". But uncredited crew should never be included, right? I was asking if there was an exception to this for the "created by" attribute.

Also in this case the "created by" credits would only refer to the archive footage, another reason they should be removed.

As for the "archive footage" problem, let me explain it more specifically. In the on-screen credits it specifically lists crew credits as archive footage ("flashback" sequences), separately from the main credits. But in the IMDb listing those names are listed without the "archive footage" attribute. When I tried to add that attribute, I got an error that said archive attributes for crew are no longer allowed on IMDb. Therefore they must be deleted.

When I then submitted a deletion, it was rejected with a dumb "unable to verify" message.

Either the "archive footage" attribute MUST be added (forced on by staff if necessary), or those credits MUST be deleted (per new policy). Those credits can't be left as is.

There were a couple other things you didn't address; they referred to crew included on the IMDb listing that are NOT credited on-screen (like the two writer created by credits, but there were a couple others as well). Those should be deleted as well, I would think, unless an "uncredited" attribute can be added (I think the system will block uncredited for crew too). But when I submitted such a deletion, it was rejected for "unable to verify". You can't verify a negative. These credits were erroneously added in the first place; they can't be verified that's why they SHOULD be deleted. Like I said, it's rather a "duh" situation.
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