Am I partially blocked from editing cast lists?

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Am I, the nine-hundred thirty-two thousand twentieth IMDb registrant, blocked in some way from editing cast lists?

In the past few months, I've noticed that many corrections I've made to cast lists will not go live. Usually cast member additions taking the form of the creation of new person entries within the database overall are accepted just fine, but changes to the order numbers sometimes never go live. Even changes that are predicated on the notion of making sure that a given cast list item follows IMDb's own guidelines/policies sometimes never go live, and that makes no sense. (For example, an IMDb contributor may submit an edit to ensure that a character name comprised entirely of lowercase letters is changed to taking the form of English capitalization rules, exactly as the IMDb guidelines specify, but yet the update to the item may not ever go live.) How can something that follows guidelines be wrong?

In more than one case of unapproved cast list submissions, I've inquired about it and was told that proof in the form of a screen capture of the on-screen credits would be requisite or so. It used to be that my word was good enough. What has changed? Has policy changed or has my trustworthiness slumped? It could be both, either or neither. I cannot be sure. (And just to note, once in a rare while IMDb's glorified prestigious partners [MPAA, MPTv, WGA and WireImage] supply IMDb with erroneous information.) There has been only one cast list for which I've ever submitted incorrect information, and it was rejected, and I apologized for it. Anyway, whenever proof is desired by the IMDb staff, I will gladly provide it if and only if I am capable of providing it; otherwise I shall simply leave a transcription of the correct information on IMDb Get Satisfaction (GS). (In subsequent posts to this GS topic, and for the cast list of a particular movie, I have a present, so to speak.) I still want to know what is going on, though.

There is little doubt that IMDb has the capability to flag registered users in a number of different ways. I want to know how my account has been flagged.

Making sure that the order of cast members in a complete cast list is correct might not seem like a big deal, but the words "in credits order" appear above them (as far as the Full Cast & Crew page for a given title is concerned). What is a person to do when he/she sees such a remark but also sees that the order of the cast items does not match what appears on screen?

In summary:
  1. In what ways have my account been flagged? (Only IMDb staff can answer this.)
  2. How can something that follows guidelines be wrong?
  3. What has changed? (Possibly only IMDb staff can answer this.)
  4. What is a person to do when he/she sees "in credits order" but also sees that the order of the cast items are incorrect?
Those are four questions, and thereby I expect four answers. (Maybe the fourth could be interpreted as rhetorical, but it is important.) IMDb GS champions and other volunteers (like me) may answer if they so desire at whatever time and in whatever way they desire, but I definitely expect answers from IMDb staff if the volunteers choose not to participate. And if whichever staff member appointed to address this matter desires not to answer all of the four summary questions, then I would like to know why not. I'm certain that I'm not the only IMDb contributor who does not appreciate the IMDb staff behaving so circuitously and so evasive so often. (We don't care about how many new accounts are created per day, how many hits the site receives per day, how many submissions are received per day, or how many new titles are added to the database per day. No amount of bragging about how large IMDb is or how fast it is growing really changes how its staff is perceived.)

Please help.
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I think you're paranoid, you should get a new hobby like train spotting.
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Nobody can honestly deny that IMDb staff members regularly provide evasive answers.
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I have been trying to make various corrections to the IMDB database and found that it is not as easy as simply updating a field of text, modifying a record / entry by way of deletion.  IMDB contributor tools are not always clearly marked.  I have been trying to make a name change and do not see a tool that says "delete" or anything to that effect.
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Well, to delete an item from a cast list, the option to do so is present in a drop-down menu consisting of the options "Keep:", "Correct" and "Delete" (as found to the left of an item), which only show up for items in data categories that have been set to "Correct/Delete" as opposed to "No change", "Add 1 credit" or "Add n credits" (as found to the right of category heading).
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Am I partially blocked from editing cast lists?
Am I, the nine-hundred thirty-two thousand twentieth IMDb registrant,
blocked in some way from editing cast lists?
by Jeorj Euler
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I've got nothing to brag about, not yet.
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Thank you for your message and for sharing your concerns with us.

If any of your updates have been rejected it usually means our editors were unable to verify them and further evidence is required. If this is related to a particular submission then please post the submission reference here so we can look into it.

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Why haven't you answered my question concerning English capitalization of character names, Rida? That, my dear, is evasive.
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For submission with reference number 170921-220019-121000 (a re-submission), the following screen captures may be of interest:

(First through fifth credits)

(Fifth through ninth credits)

(Eighth through eleventh credits)


That's the only case for which I'm capable of providing something that would assist the "verification" process, as of this time. So, for that one, there is no excuse for the update to not go live.
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The submission with reference number 170918-081814-304000 was a re-submission of one numbered 170903-002713-273000 which was a re-submission of one numbered 170206-170143-436000 which was a re-submission of one numbered 170129-173757-430000. Only recently has the last remaining guideline-consistent correction been approved. All throughout the chain, the corrections were only partially approved. The corrections in question probably seem like they are not big deals. That's fine, as perhaps they are not, but none of them had anything whatsoever to do with verification issues!

Where does IMDb staff get the idea that contributors like repeatedly having to revisit the same form data over and over again?!
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What is laughable is that a cast list can have all kinds of gaps and duplicate order numbers and the IMDb staff will still provide response like "According to our sources and our own research, our editors believe that the credit is accurate". Those are cases in which they are simply being stubborn or uninterested in logic.
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Hi Jeorj,

Thanks for your response.

We're unable to go into the specifics of how our editors review new data submissions, however there are many factors which may attribute to why a contribution has been rejected - however please be aware there are no "flags" associated with your account which may result in an instant rejection.

Thanks for providing the the screen grab as evidence for your cast order changes, these should go live within around 24 hours. Regarding character names, wherever possible, we list character names as they appear in the on-screen credits - occasionally a character may be listed with typography errors and these will be reflected on the database - this may explain why character name changes have been rejected.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joel
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Childhood Mammaries ...









(The contribution number of the resubmitted information is 180517-090035-029000.)
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Jet (The Screenplay) ...



(The contribution number of the resubmitted information is 180709-040900-608000.)
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Ready? Sex? Wait! ...





(The contribution number of the resubmitted information is 180709-044803-324000.)
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Over There ...



(The contribution number of the resubmitted information is 180709-050926-583000.)
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Nameless ...









(The contribution number of the resubmitted information is 180709-060651-744000.)
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Hi Jeorj -

Thanks for posting the credit screen grabs, the cast character name corrections have now been approved and the changes should be live on the site shortly.  Cheers!
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I see no reason why any contributor should have any problem getting approved the change of a "self" role to a character name for non-documentary non-reenactment: 180709-034944-172000, resub of 180616-082147-858000.
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There is no excuse for the one-item cast correction in submission the submission with reference number 180601-050221-507000 to have been rejected. Anybody can easily tell that that the parenthetical segment information is missing a quotation mark. I'm surprised that nobody else has even noticed it.
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I'm still having problems even if I present evidence in the "Explanation" field! The stuff sometimes just won't go live!
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For A Killer of Men, I originally altered apparently only one credit (which was rejected presumably for lack of verification) when I should have altered over a dozen. I have done so as a re-submission (180709-073818-636000), and I present the following to corroborate the information:

(1st through 11th credits)


(11th through 26th credits)


(25th through 38th credits)
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Hi Jeorj,

Agreed with 180601-050221-507000, I've fixed this now. I can see that a few of these are still pending, do you mind waiting until the allocated time has passed before chasing and when you do please do it on a new thread? That way it is easier for us to track.

Regards,
Will
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Chasing?
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Not literally, that would be terrifying. Before "inquiring politely" sounds much more in line with your request.
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Will, sure I can post new topics for original submission that never went live. I'd imagine it is more of a matter of division of labor from a IMDb staff point of view than a tracking matter. I don't know. I do feel that the stuff seems easier for me to track if it is all dumped in one place, plus when/if I do it in a chain like now, it will not make reading the "Data Issues & Policy Discussions" feed miserable for the other contributors on GS. On another note, I've been operating under the assumption that it is a fine idea to provide context, proof or whatever with a re-submission of a ignored (declined) submission, instead of simply referencing the ignored (declined) submission with the corroborating materials and without re-submitting. I think, in the future, I shall address matters in the way that I did for 180601-050221-507000, if a whole section of the re-submission would be identical to the corresponding section of the original submission.
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Do I have to come to GS every time I correct a cast list?!
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A Trustee in a prison, is trusted more I think, than an IMDb contributor!
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Michelle! Will! Yet another one is 180709-124118-689000! There is no excuse for this cast list edition submission to be declined!
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Hi Jeorj,

I have submitted these modifications on your behalf now, if no problems are encountered this should update online within 24 hours on all platforms.

Have a great day!
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Alright. Thanks, Jaime.
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Jaime, for some reason, 180710-011424-540000 did not render out properly.
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I, like many other contributors, take great care to provide proof and justifications in the "explanation" fields, and it seems like the IMDb data-editing staff just do not even bother to read them. What is the point of even having these optional form fields? A whole bunch of contributors do not understand what the deal is. C'mon!
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You know the TSA at airports has a line for already screened frequent flyers. Why not give this kind of status to accurate contributors?
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It is as though they look at some of the passports, throw the passports right into the garbage, flip a coin, and make their decision based upon whether the coin lands on heads or tails, and then clock out, go home, crack open a bottle of beer, put their feet up and think no further of the day gone by, reporting back to work fourteen days later.
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Their job is just like this
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I think after a few rejections most just give up and go home. leaving a user name that is never used but counted towards the number of members.
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a user name that is never used but counted towards the number of members.

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Hey,

Thanks for your feedback and continued support.

I understand your frustrations - but please remember, our editors vet thousands of data items per day, across multiple data types with varying policies and whilst we do our best, occasionally items may be incorrectly rejected. Once alerted to these, editors can re-review the contributions and approve those items if necessary. Our staff then take steps to make sure the same type of erroneous rejection doesn't re-occur, be that with further training or improved vetting practices. 

Please do continue to let us know if you believe items have been incorrectly processed and we can look into these for you. 

Moving onto submission reference 180710-011424-540000, I've spent some time reviewing these credits and as a result I've submitted these order updates on your behalf - please allow up to 24 hours for these changes to reflect online. 

Thanks,

Joel 
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Okay, thanks again, Joel :)