A large problem with Nigel Tomm

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Nigel Tomm is a filmmaker, artist photographer and writer with extremely minimalist approaches. Most of his feature films, which could be viewed in their entirety on IMDb consist of feature-length single frames of some color. 

No matter how weird Mr. Tomm's approaches to art are, his movies are eligible on IMDb and that's where we have another problem: either someone vandalized his page or he did it himself as an artistic statement, but his filmography is absolutely empty. There are videos for his movies there in "related videos", but there are no filmography. The page was like this at least since 2013 when I first visited it. 

As IMDb should not be an art object, but a database, I believe his filmography should be instated. 
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Nikolay Yeriomin, Champion

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Hi Nikolay -

Concerning the credits, the reason why the filmography is empty is because all the credits for the titles Mr. Tomm worked on are uncredited, note that we will only display uncredited entries on the site if an individual has a credited entry listed.  As this is a unique case, I have filed a ticket for our editorial team to discuss and review the existing page listing for Mr. Tomm.
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Hello, Michelle. 

Great thanks for clarifying! I believe he has some credited jobs which are not currently listed, but I haven't researched those in depth yet (and they are kind of elusive, as well). 
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The same goes for Oops Thoon: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2960114/.
By the way, I see no reason not to go with the usual situation of "only displaying uncredited entries on the site if an individual has a credited entry listed", but that's just me.
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Hello Nikolay,

Thank you for raising this.

I can see that the name page for Nigel Tomm has a number of uncredited roles for his works. As my colleague Michelle mentioned, our display logic requires at least one fully credited listing on an IMDb name page before any of the uncredited roles will show - this means once a credit position is added, all (uncredited) data will also appear.

Please refer to our guide for more information on this:

https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/i-worked-on-a-title-but-did-not-receive-a-screen-credit-can-it-be-listed-on-imdb/G3BDEA5Y4U9LP9BW?ref_=helpsrall#

If you believe Nigel Tomm has in fact received some credited roles, we would encourage you to submit these for review by our data team. Once we have verified a credited role, this will prompt all of the uncredited roles to appear on the name page.

I'd also recommend submitting any interesting data or works to the Bio Trivia or Other Works section on Nigel Tomm's page; this would populate the page and help provide information regarding the nature of his work.

I hope that helps to clarify, please reach out to us if we can assist you further.

Josie
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Great thanks, Josie! 

Yes, there is, as far as I know at least one currently absent work of his from 2009 which seems to have credits. Will research further into that (as well as his video blog/web-series which also seems to have credits) and hopefully submit those titles. 
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Will research further into that (as well as his video blog/web-series which also seems to have credits) and hopefully submit those titles.

Were you able to find anything, otherwise I feel the pages for Nigel Tomm (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2961657/) and Oops Thoon (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2960114/) should be deleted because they aren't eligible.


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While the credits are not eligible to be displayed on the site, they are still stored in the system. You can even see them in the update form. I think this has the advantage that you can find the names if you want to add a new credit, rather than having to add a new name with a different page number.
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I think that if a name isn't eligible for a listing on IMDb, it shouldn't be around. Otherwise, it's not fair to other people who want a listing. Also, it's not consistent to keep name pages around if it's known they're not eligible.
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Are the credits ineligible or are the pages ineligible? A relevant distinction.

The Nigel Tomm example is interesting: he has seven titles listed, but they have no credits because they are hidden. I'm not sure who this helps. I think it's a good candidate for an exception in "rare circumstances".
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To be fair: pages are eligible. Filmographies are invisible, though, as everything listed is uncredited. 

I actually have two versions on what should I do with it first: a) add one of the titles with eligible credits which Tomm allegedly did somewhere in 2009 or... Credit both him and Thoon in special thanks of one of my own works which will make their first known credits and unlock their filmographies. 
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Are the credits ineligible or are the pages ineligible? A relevant distinction.

Agreed. For as far as I know, the title pages are eligible. When it comes to name pages, I thought the policy is that they aren't searchable/visible in cases where they only have post-1980 uncredited, "hidden" credits, just like Oops Thoon and Nigel Tomm have. Therefore, I suggested they should be removed.
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Why you say the name isn’t ”eligible”? As far as I know, IMDb has already approved these credits, they’re just ”uncredited”. There are probably thousands of similar ”empty” name pages, due the uncredited policies of IMDb (whether it’s a good thing or not is another matter and discussion).