"Godzilla: King of the Monsters" cast list

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Well, maybe not a problem but I didn't know which other category this fit. I realize the release of Godzilla: King of the Monsters will be huge (hey, even I'm revved up for it) and create a lot of clicks on IMDb, and that Warner Bros. will get a pass on this, but these name pages aren't really flesh-and-blood people/creatures:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm10706979/
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm10706978/
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm10706977/
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm10706976/

While I'm on the topic:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm10093027/ (blank)
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0324270/
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm6533979/ (is this actually a real person named Godzilla, who worked on a movie titled Godzilla? Possible but doubtful.)

And this entire cast, with, I suppose, the exception of a human hand that makes a brief appearance:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9423252/

There's a bunch of other fictional character-as-name pages kicking around, as well. Some are dogs/cats/animals named after icons, and who appeared in films and documentaries, but some seem to be gag listings.
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Hi Carter -

Unless there is an on-screen credit for the character name, the credits shouldn't be listed on the site.  If you haven't done so already, please request the removal of these credits through our online Update form and our editors will take a look, and if applicable remove them.

If needed, you can find additional information regarding updating/removing incorrect data on the following Help page: https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/contribution-information/correcting-existing-data/GPFQGX9...#

Let us know if you have any questions or encounter any issues submitting the updates!
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As always, Michelle, thanks for your reply. We're still a week away from the release of Godzilla: King of the Monsters in my region, so I can't verify one way or the other. I guess my bigger question is: what actually should and should not qualify for a "name" page?

For instance, in the feature film Cast Away, Tom Hanks draws a face in blood on a volleyball, names it Wilson, and has regular one-side conversations with it throughout the film's second act. Wilson has its own name page: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1012434/ However, Wilson is not an "actor" nor technically a "himself." It's an inanimate object.

Same for the upcoming Godzilla: King of the Monsters. Godzilla, King Ghidorah, Rodan, and Mothra are all fictional monsters. CGI. I haven't scrolled through the full crew list, but I'm sure any actors hired to perform whatever motion capture was required for the monsters, if any, are credited somewhere. But back to the broader question, the monsters as entities aren't actors or portraying his or herself, even if the words "Godzilla ... as Godzilla" appear in the credit roll.

In 1933's King Kong, Kong was portrayed by a stop-motion model, and it, too, has a page: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3289725/ There's even a death date of March 2, 1933 listed. But if we're going to get technical and put characters and names on equal footing, and treat them the same as flesh-and-blood creatures, in actuality that was just the day the film premiered, not when Willis O'Brien puppeteered the poseable model's death.

I'll adjust the short video I mentioned in my first post accordingly, which is just some guy aiming a camera at a bunch of plushies. But the whole name/character thing remains a grey area for me.
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Hi Carter -

Currently we allow credits for individuals, animal performers and inanimate objects, which we have a section outlining our character requirements under the General Notes section of the following guide: https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/cast-acting-credits-guidelines/GH3JZC...

Animals and inanimate objects (i.e., Wilson the Volleyball) can be listed as actors if they appear in the credits as cast members. Please use your best guess as to gender. (After the new name page is created, you should probably also include a biographical trivia note (i.e., "Is a dog").

Some other examples of animal performers and inanimate objects are:

Robby the Robot: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1119475/
Herbie: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1888329/
Mister Ed: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1458448/
Crystal the monkey: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2640714/

In general, credits for inanimate objects are rare, but if there is an on-screen credit for "Godzilla playing the role of Godzilla", we would need to retain this credit listing and it would be eligible.
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Is Godzilla an inanimate object?
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Additionally, should 2019's CGI Godzilla name page be merged with 1992's puppet Godzilla name page? It would create a split actor/self page, and the ten "other works" references at the latter probably include rubber suit work and possibly even animation, but technically it's the same fictional beast.
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Godzilla qualifies under the same rule for a name page. I have merged the new page into https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0324270/ though.
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I saw the film yesterday, and I can now confirm the monsters have onscreen credits as "himself" and "herself". Sending an update to reflect the proper form. Hopefully it gets accepted.

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And it was declined—three days after the expected processing date—as "Does not meet contribution guidelines." (190601-024340-797000) Okey dokey, leave the data incorrect, it will fit right in with the myriad of other errors piling up in the database.

By the way, scroll down the Full Cast & Crew page, to the start of the Visual Effects by section. That's were I left off making corrections, with the last to go live being 190604-023700-259000 (however, there were several corrections in the proceeding sections still to be made). Scan from there all the way to the very end of the crew. There's a whole bunch of incorrectly formatted occupation fields (uppercase mistakes, company affiliations, etc.) And the corresponding name pages for many of the badly formatted entries are similar messes.

I had been correcting everything but somebody else can take over, feels like I'm spinning my wheels on this title now. Cheers.

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The guideline they are referring to may be this one:

Where someone is billed in the credits as Himself/Herself in a fictional piece and are playing a scripted, fictional version of themselves, we use the performer's name as the character name to avoid moving the credit to the 'Self' category even if the credits say Himself/Herself.
https://help.imdb.com/article/contrib...
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Entirely possible, Peter. My only additional thoughts would be that probably somebody from Legendary and/or Warner Bros. adjusted the cast list, wouldn't have these guideline specifics committed to memory, and that the admins don't want to tinker with studio users' updates. Additionally, this title generated the name pages for the four monsters, and each only had this particular credit listed (until Will did a merge for one of them, previously listed as Himself), so it's hard to imagine there would be confusion with the actor/self headings on those bare pages (well, bare filmography wise).

Again, though, I'm going to leave this title alone, with the hope that the little crew format issues I mentioned, of which there are many, get ironed out over time. I think when ignored these little errors begin to snowball out of controll, because users incorrectly use them as accepted examples during future updates. Cheers!
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Hi Carter -

Thanks for your feedback.  Just to reiterate, as per the rule Peter mentioned, Godzilla's performance on this title applies, so even though the performance of Godzilla was credited on-screen as "Himself", the credit is correctly listed on the site under the cast list as playing himself, "Godzilla".
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I appreciate the time and discussion on this topic from you, Peter, and Will, and I accept the explanation, even if it continues to be a bit of a head scratcher for me. For instance, Godzilla (albeit a crappy version) briefly appears as Godzilla in the fictional Waxwork II: Lost in Time, is acknowledged as "Godzilla AS HIMSELF" in the closing credits (that's exactly how the text appears, partly in uppercase), and is listed on the IMDb as "Himself." Maybe I'm overtired from binge watching HBO's Chernobyl last night, but I'm not seeing difference between the two titles/examples. Again, though, I'm leaving this one alone, with thanks to everyone who weighed in on the topic. Greatly appreciated!
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I was going to comment on this, too. It's odd because character pages had been done away with (for now), and characters are what these names are. If they were real, well, there would be no forum around to comment, right? 
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Pretty much. The funny thing is, IMDb allows them as name pages yet wouldn't let me tag Godzilla in this image: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3741700/mediaviewer/rm3629213184 The update was rejected twice, even though he's/it's tagged in the same image used for the poster: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0324270/mediaviewer/rm2084193280 I tried to tag King Ghidorah on a name page and it similarly was rejected. Policy on the fly.

By the way, somebody really should change Godzilla's primary image, all that's visible in the portrait area is the stormy skies over Boston: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0324270/

Just my opinion but given this particular feature generated three of the four creature name pages, I think the following series would look good for their primary images, as well as lend some continuity to the database:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3741700/mediaviewer/rm2842392320
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3741700/mediaviewer/rm504198912
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3741700/mediaviewer/rm487421696
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3741700/mediaviewer/rm520976128