midi learn on iPad

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There are a slew of controllers I wish were supported (faderfox in particular), midi learn for iPad would make that possible! Another approach if midi learn on ipad will never happen, would be to create midi mapping on OSX and transfer a config file over.

I do feel like support for more midi controllers is necessary, Numark iDJ Live doesn't even have 3 band eq!
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Any update on this? I just picked up a Reloop Beatpad, and have managed to remap some of the functions in Djay Pro (to allow me to make use of the Queue, in Library preview, etc) to mirror what is possible with the Beatpad 2, but would love to be be able to do the same with Djay 2 running on my iPad Air (e.g. not map a whole new controller, just tweak the existing mapping).
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I would pay some small upgrade fee for the ability to have midi learn/custom mapping but dropping money on one of their low-quality sponsored controllers? Never ever going to happen.
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Midi learn and enable wireless midi controllers like Blueboard, would make
this app much better. I will go other apps if they do not consider midi learn.
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This thread's only been going 2+ years....do the math. They won't implement it while they have tie-ups with hardware makers so you might as well move on.
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Maybe someone could make a facebook page called "midi learn vjay"? Also this could be a great opportunity for a smart programmer to start his own app, with similar functions as vJay, and implement midi learn. Maybe that programmer can become very succesful because most of vJay users will move to the new app.
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Hello Alexander Someone.
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The one app that I actually WANT to ditch my laptop for, and its locked down to some of the worst controllers on the market.

C'mon guys, you have the cleanest interface, IMHO the best performance, easiest library browsing, 4k freaking video mixing !!! And yet, the app is being crippled by integration only to "toy" controllers. Most of which would be considered turds aimed at kids and none (except beatpad) would be allowed near a "real" dj box or considered as a serious alternative by a club dj.

Please please PLEASE integrate some form of Midi Learn no matter how "rough" .. the software is already there, the hardware is all out there, its down to you guys to give us that one little bit of code that would allow us to bring the ipad into the clubs as a serious alternative audio visual experience.

So close, yet so far ....
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Yep it would be...... about 6ft across hehe :P
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Most people don't realise you *can* create .djayMidiMapping XML files (either with djay Pro on Mac/PC, or manually in a text editor) and transfer them to your iPad to enable custom MIDI mappings. I've done it with a bunch of controllers for both djay 2 and djay pro on iPad and it works great!
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Please how to do the transfer to iPad ?
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In iTunes. Connect your iPad and go to ‘Apps’. In Djay 2 or Djay Pro you add the midi mapping file in the documents of the app.
Frist download the midi mapping file on your pc.
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you're a genuis Tank Jones, thanks man! i tried your tutorial with a numark party mix and ipad (5th generation 2017) and it works! using djay LE, the free app.
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iPad mini 2
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Got it working - and working like a champ :D ... looks like it was power being the issue (despite the "unsupported" messages).

Had a WeCai cable and plugged both sides into the powered hub - restarted the ipad, Vestax logo popped.

You Sir are on my xmas list ;)
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Yay! Good job! Have to experiment sometimes!
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Does this work on DjayPRO for iPad too?
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I can confirm it works for DJ Pro ... Just hooked up my Reloop Neon ... Works great :)
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Anyone got his to work with a beatpad? I have a modified midi file to allow 4 deck control ... Works finr on my mac but when i try it on my ipad it doesnt recognise it.
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Might be that the built-in mapping takes priority
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yes, come on already!!!! i would absolutely prefer djay, plus ipad, plus a decent, solid controller - and NO LAPTOP...

seems like the djay pro app has no way of utilizing 4 decks with any controller for the ipad??? or am I mistaken?
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Built in mappings "might" be given priority over custom ones - someone else needs to confirm this is the case though with a supported controller and custom mapping loaded
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Yeah but then they wanna be cute and lock down all their natively supported devices like the wego3. You remap it on the Mac then it ignores the map on the iOS device even after you import it.
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you could in theory extract and repackage the app with your new mapping in the same location as the stock one and then repackage the app for install via sync.

It "should" work as you are not modifying any core files from the app, its bit of a workaround though and not within the grasp of many.
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Hey Merc, neither beatpad are naturally compatible with 4 decks. You can of course remap them ... Here is my mapping for 4 decks on Beatpad ... https://maps.djtechtools.com/mappings...
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that looks really awesome - I don't have a Beatpad, but I'm willing to get one for sure... is this mapping exclusively for the Beatpad (1) - and not the Beatpad 2? ...and does it run without any glitches? thx again for all the input...
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I agree, it would be nice to controle Djay Pro on iPad, with ANY midi controler (any midi keyboard, etc...) #midilearn
Waiting for an update...
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You can already - see above, you map using the desktop version and share the mapping with the Mobile App via itunes.

So long as the Midi Controller is Core Midi Compatible it should work.
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I'd like to try, but I'd have to buy the 49,99€ version too ?... I've already bought the iPad version...
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You can use the demo version to create a map
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wow thank you!
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Another issue for me...
I want now to use the Focusrite iTrack Dock, plug my iPad on it, and plug my Keyboard in the dock. It works well with any instruments apps.
But the problem now is that my mapping doesn't work because for DJay Pro, the MIDI controller is the iTrack Dock, and my keyboard no more...
Any idea to avoid this ?

Thank you so much
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I don't have a Mac, so I'm having to manually edit midi files, taking a working djay mapping and hacking it about to map to my Faderfox DJ44 (a beautiful controller btw).

I've only attempted mapping one deck, simply because it takes time! I've created the mapping file, and popped it into the filesharing part of djay 2 for my iPad...however unfortunately it doesn't read the mapping file and instantly displays the 'unsupported midi device' error when starting djay. None of the controls can be triggered via the DJ44 so I'm guessing something's wrong with the mapping.

I think I have the endpointName set correctly (to Faderfox DJ44), the filename is named Faderfox_DJ44.djayMidiMapping...the thing I'm wondering is whether the USBID tag at the top has to be a specific ID for the controller?

Is this the VID/PID of the controller? In which case it's very short...not the usual 9 characters you see in this tag for midimappings. Does anyone else have a DJ44 that they could upload even just the basic of mappings for so that I can edit?

In-app mapping would be so much easier!
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@DJ Hombre ... Try here ... https://maps.djtechtools.com ... You can download and see how djay is mapped to different devices. Maybe you will get some hints how to connect to your controller. I checked but unfortunately yours is not already there
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Everyone !! If you have a midi enabled controller it can be mapped to dj player app. Try it and then ask algor' why they don't do it.
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I managed to get it working by 'borrowing' someone else's extensive mapping.
The trick is to edit the mapping using notepad (not wordpad) and don't go hacking too much at any time, use replacements or copy/paste within the file...otherwise djay on iOS doesn't recognise the file.

I've uploaded a work-in-progress mapping here;
https://maps.djtechtools.com/mappings...

Still some more work to do on loops.

Does anyone know how to map the LEDs for VUs etc, has anyone got an example mapping that I could 'borrow' a bit from?

...an alternative to in-app midi mapping would be to release a desktop app, like Rekordbox have done recently to allow mapping on Mac/PC for import. Hacking a text file is time-consuming and fragile!
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The mapping is coming along slowly, but nicely...need to work on the loop bits.
My main issue is trying to get the VU LEDs mapped...however I think this is a common complaint even if you're mapping via the Mac app.

If anyone has a mapping where you have got the VU LEDs or even if you've got an official Algoriddim mapping that I could refer to that would be grand! I know that Warren (Algoriddim support) has dropboxed mappings before...here's hoping.
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I have the VU LEDs mapped for my controller. Use `turntable1.monoMeter`. there's also a progress meter: `turntable1.display.songProgress`
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Would like to use Hercules RMX2 with djay pro on ipad. Works with djay pro for mac, so why not with ipad??
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1. Create and Export your Mapping from Djay Pro for Mac
2. Open itunes
3. Add the Map to Document Sharing for Djay in iTunes
4. Sync iPad

On another Note, Most Powered deviced STILL draw 500ma from the USB connector so you will probably STILL need a powered hub - I do on both my AKAI and Vestax which are both powered.
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Dear Steve, can you please tell me how the file should be named? I tried with mixon reloop 4 and had no luck. The file is named: Reloop Mixon4.djayMidiMapping - The exported one has the name: Reloop Mixon4 Edit.djayMidiMapping. Kind Regards, stefan
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Hi Stefan ... unfortunately this method does not work for controllers that ate already natively supported by the app ... and the Mixon 4 is one of those ... sorry about that.
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At this moment only unsupported controllers can use this method.

It was possible to re-map supported controllers up until 2 weeks ago, by extracting the app, removing the stock mapping and then syncing.

However apps are no longer synced via iTunes and now need to be downloaded on the iOS device directly with no modification possible.
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Guy: you can export the .djayMidiMapping file from djay pro for Mac, and import it to your iPad to make it work with the iPad.
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I know you're all trying your best and I honestly wish you luck but I'm unsubbing from updates and this forum, it's torturous...they're never going to implement midi learn while they're trying to sell their plastic crap toy controllers. They apparently don't care about their customers and this forum in the slightest. I mailed them and they said 'hey post on the forum, we love to hear from users'. What a literal waste of time.
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What's the workaround? Exporting mapping for rmx2 from djay pro for Mac. Since I have neither a Mac nor Djay pro on Pc, is there any other solution?
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You'll need to either:

1. Borrow a Mac, and create a mapping using the Demo of Djay
2. Befriend someone who's mapped an RMX2 already
3. Create a map using notepad, midi translator and spend a ton of hours figuring out what all the functions do.

You'll need to actually create your own map as there is no built-in mapping for the RMX2 and djay pro (only RMX)
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Yup,

1: ask someone to email you the rmx2 mapping is the easiest option if you can find someone that has it!!

2: borrow or use a Mac with the free djay for Mac demo.

Or

3: the way I did it and not for the faint of heart!!!

Using a Windows pc/laptop

Download a demo version of VMware which allows you to run a virtual pc within your pc..

Download the Mac operating system and load it onto VMware (plenty of YouTube vids to show you how)

You now have a fully working Mac on you pc.

Download the djay pro demo and make a midi map for your controller. Remember to save your mapping every few mins as the demo craps out after 10 mins or so.

I have been doing this for years so look back at a few of my other posts.

I prefer to use a jailbriken iPad because I need to change the mappings of SUPPORTED controllers and this is not possible in any other workaround with a virgin iPad.

Have fun and to all you other djays who have contributed long and hard dispite the lack of response from the GODs!!! Hang in there because we have all helped each other get through.

Ps. For some reason I couldn't login under Hotmail & had to use google, so it looks like this is my first post!
I'm there as STENIGHT
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Have you tried extracting the App itself from within OSX and either:

A) Modify the built in mapping and re-compress or:
B) Simply just deleting the stock mapping altogether, recompress the app and use document sharing as per normal to load any new mappings.

In both cases delete the app from the ipad first and sync-load the modified version.

I think either method should work as you aren't modifying any core files of the application and it might make it a lil easier to sync mapping modifications if needed - not to mention latest updates to iOS would no longer be an issue ;)
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I would definitely try that if I hadn't already had jailbroken Iphones & iPads going back to the 3GS .

I was contemplating getting into recompiling as I want to use KODI (banned app on non jailbroken devices) on my iPhone 6+ and that's not jailbroken yet as its on 9.2 and I don't use it with djay.
It requires the use of XCODE 7 for Mac (don't have a Mac), and I deleted VMware off my pc once I got my wego (1) mapped out, and since then I modified the files right up to wego 3 manually.

Did you try the mod yourself,? I assumed that there would be a chksum in ios apps that would detect even if one byte had been charged and refuse to run?
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I tried it with Djay already and it did sync and run on the ipad with a modified vestax file added to the mapping folder, I don't have a supported controller to check if deleting the file and adding one via doc sharing would work to replace the stock mapping though.
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Pioneer took the vu LEDs off the wego 3 (don't you hate it when the newer version has 4/5 features removed to save money but the one feature you need like charging the iPad while you are using it means you have to give them up) anyway, the wego 1 had vu but they were hardware controlled with no midi attributes .

Have you downloaded the great "dj player" app.
It has a full featured midi mapping section which I used to find all the midi information I needed when modifying my djay mappings. It's free to download and you might even really like it.

Also. Check all the supported controllers online and see if any have the feature you are looking for, then rape their supporting mapping file for the information.
That's how I got the wego doing things it shouldn't be able to do .
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Hi, Can you give me the gist of deleting the supported mapping from the app? iOS is a little foreign to me, do you have to be jailbroken?
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No it does not need to be jailbroken.

1. Open iTunes.

2. Click View > More > Apps from the menubar.

3. Right Click the DJay app and then hit "show in finder"

4. Rename the File extension to .zip instead of .ipa

5. Extract Files.

6. Navigate to the "Payload" folder, right click and "show package contents"

7. Now navigate to the Midi Mappings folder.

8. Delete the Default mapping you wish to remove.

9. Re-zip the extracted main folder and remove old version.

10. Re-name your new Zip it exactly as the old file was before (including extension)

11. Remove the App from the Ipad / Phone manually.

12. Sync Your Device apps with iTunes.

Done!
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Pretty straight forward, thank you for the info!
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Sorry to resurrect this, but I've carried out all the steps mentioned above to the letter, but when I try to install the edited version via iTunes sync, the app loads up to about 8 o'clock progress and then the icon disappears from my iPad, note the icon appears without the DJay icon graphic, it's just plain. I tried it with another random app and it loaded up fine.

If I delete the edited version and re-download from iTunes and sync again it installs fine.

Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

I'm using DJay 2 not DJay Pro if that's relevant.
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thanks Tank Jones for the explanation and work around. i'm now using Pioneer DDJ-SX with Djay Pro v 1.0.3 on iPad Pro. works like a treat.

Algoriddim really should add native midi mapping for the Djay Pro for iOS if they want their app to be taken seriously as a professional app.

see screen shot below :)

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Does this setup charge the ipad?
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There is a new 2016 iPad lightning camera adapter that will charge the iPad at the same time.
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Hi, I managed to control my MIDI Pioneer DDJ-SZ on my iPad, the deck work perfectly as in MAC, but can not get the sound through any channel pioneer simply not recognized as external sound card. there a way to install the drivers for the card, or to recognize it in any way?
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Most of your customers who have controllers would be using 2 deck controllers as they would have started with DJay and Djay2. As you are not selling controllers, it would promote the sale of DJ pro to be able to be flexible enough to use all of its decks on controllers your customers already possess. Those who want to buy 4 deck controllers will do that, but you won't disappoint the vast majority of your existing clients who won't, this way. Most of us aren't tech savvy and can't do this ourselves. Is there a way to use Midi mapping to use existing buttons (the Shift button+ another button perhaps) to toggle between decks? It's a simple tweak that would mean a lot to your customers can move onto DJay pro and get functionality. I would happily pay for this than pay for a new controller.
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What controller are you using? Here is my mapping for reloop beatpad to give you 4 deck control using shift ... https://maps.djtechtools.com/mappings...

Works with IPad and Mac
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So thanks to info on these forums I worked out how to midi learn on the mac version of the software and then use the iTunes file share to put those midi learns onto the iPad. It then works like a charm with any controller of choice.

Unless you want to VJ

It works when you plug the Camera Connection kit in directly. However if you run the HDMI AV cable first and then daisy chain the camera connection kit off that into a powered hub or direct to the midi controller there is no dice.

Does anyone have any ideas how you can midi control and output visuals at the same time off an iPad? They both work independently but not together even when you can plug both accessories into each other and do it in theory. There probably are some really good third party cables out there but a few years ago Apple went anal on all that stuff and made a bunch of these cables redundant with the error with "this accessory is not supported by this ipad"

Cheers!
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Running the video output via AirPlay / Apple TV is the only way I can't think of overcoming that hurdle.
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Should I just purchase the Reloop Mixtour? or Beatpad? Sounds like the guys from reloop greased a few wheels around Algoriddim huh?

It work as an app developer. What are you guys trying to do? Use customers for QA testing? You guys dont have a program like "Midi Learn", to configure hardware mapping before you release the software?

I would appreciate some help Algoriddim, as would all of the other hard working, paying customers, who purchased the app, only to feel duped as there class compliant controllers are not compatible. Do you not have a list of ALL class compliant usb dj controllers? Probably less than 100 diff controllers avail, so that doesn't sound to difficult to have someone test.
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Mixtour or beatpad? I have both and they are quite different ...

Mixtour is nice unit to travel with (fits in hand luggage) but a bit limited (no jog wheels) ok if you are EDM in a house party or lounge bar.

Beatpad is a great controller ... Move versatile than the mixtour but much bigger. You can easily DJ a wedding or big party with it.
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Cool deal. Yeah, I currently have the Mixtrack Pro 3, but looking to go with the Pioneer DDJ SB2. I dont have a mac to export the Midi map for either, so if anyone has them, that would be awesome. Also, I found the Pioneer DDJ SB2 mapping on a site and uploaded it to my dropbox, I posted to DjTech, so others can enjoy
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I am currently looking for mapping of the Numark Mixtrack Pro 3. If anyone has the mapping file, I would appreciate it! Thanks again
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If anyone can send me the mapping file for Hercules Rmx2, I would very much appreciate it. I have no access to a Mac with DJ PRO.
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This is a great source for custom midi maps ... https://maps.djtechtools.com
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No it does not need to be jailbroken.

1. Open iTunes.

2. Click View > More > Apps from the menubar.

3. Right Click the DJay app and then hit "show in finder"

4. Rename the File extension to .zip instead of .ipa

5. Extract Files.

6. Navigate to the "Payload" folder, right click and "show package contents"

7. Now navigate to the Midi Mappings folder.

8. Delete the Default mapping you wish to remove.

9. Re-zip the extracted main folder and remove old version.

10. Re-name your new Zip it exactly as the old file was before (including extension)

11. Remove the App from the Ipad / Phone manually.

12. Sync Your Device apps with iTunes.

Well, I couldn't get this to work on DJay 2 and have just wasted my money buying DJay Pro only to find it wouldn't work with that either. It just seems like 'tampering' with it triggers something that stops iOS accepting it. Perhaps there's been updates since it worked above...or I'm doing something wrong.

However, in amongst the latest maps I noticed a WeGO4 mapping. Probably be announced at BPM later this weekend.
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Not removing it from itunes.

When i sync my ipad it gets to around 9'o'clock then stops installing
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Even if i unzip the app ... Dont change anything ... Just rezip it and rename it ... It still will not sync with my ipad
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I'm afraid I have no idea why its not working mate.

Could be something to do with the device itself, other apps installed either on your mac or pad perhaps ? - It works on the 3 iOS devices I own without any issue.

Hacks almost never work for 100% of people 100% of the time so you might be stuck with the stock mapping for now.
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Just closing out the loop, it didn't work for me either, no matter what combination of files/folders I zipped. Most had a blank icon and loaded to about 8 o'clock, the nearest I got was when I zipped JUST the content which resulted in the actual DJay graphic appearing but only getting to 9 o' clock.

I'm using the smaller iPad Pro but will give it a try on my iPhone...

So frustrating!
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No joy :-(