Use Your Alesis HD24 with Windows 10

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There is software that allows you to use your HD24 with newer versions of the Windows operating system such as Windows 8/8.1 and Windows 10. This software replaces the Alesis FST Connect software. It is called HD24Tools and is available at

http://ringbreak.dnd.utwente.nl/~mrjb...

I have been able to run HD24Tools on Windows 10 Professional, 64 bit. I am using it with the FirePort 1394 device to connect the HD24 caddy to my computer.

Although I am not sure this is necessary, I set up the application to run in Administrator mode with Windows XP SP3 compatibility.

Alesis' FSTConnect v1.05 software will only run on 32 bit operating systems and seems to be limited to Windows 7. HD24Tools, referenced above, removes those limitations.

There is a complete manual for HD24Tools in PDF and online formats that can also be viewed and downloaded at the web site mentioned above.

The author of HD24Tools did a great service for the HD24 community!

Screen shot of the HD24Tools UI below:
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Windows 10 won't recognize the hard drive from my HD24XR unless the drive is formatted accordingly. If Windows won't recognize it, HD24tools doesn't detect it. Any suggestions?
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Rollie-

The HD24 hard disk and your computer hard disk have completely different file formats, so they are not mutually compatible. However, HD24tools or FST/Connect software can create a Windows-compatible.WAV file on your computer from recordings on an HD24 hard disk.

If you send me an email, I would be happy to share a write-up of how to record and handle audio files produced on the Alesis HD24.

Neil Howard
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Since I always had the Fireport device, I never tried the ftp method described in the manual and so well in your post. Looks like if you have patience, it works fine.

I am not sure if the USB3 to IDE converter will work, but it is worth a try to speed up the process. Basically you are simulating the Fireport which is basically an IDE/Centronics to firewire adapter. If your PC can recognize the HD24 drive, then you should be able to get it to work with either the FST/Connect or HD24Tools software to do the transfer.

In the HD24, the IDE drive is installed in the caddy which has an IDE to Centronics adapter, so if you are going IDE direct to your USB3 adapter, you will have to take the hard drive out of the caddy. If your converter has a Centronics interface, then you could plug the caddy into it directly.
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I tried the device I bought, "USB 3.0 to IDE/SATA Converter Hard Drive Adapter with Power Switch for 2.5"/3.5"SATA" - no luck. I got some old 3.5 drives to work right away. The HD for the HD24 is of course 4" not 3.5, as well as labeled ATA (not SATA) but the connector and power supply worked fine and I could tell the disk was spinning, but no recognition in windows and the hd connect did not find the drive. I tried all the logical jumper connections, although the drive was already jumped for master & that should have worked. I put the drive back in the caddy and it was still working fine in the HD24. I guess there is a difference between SATA and ATA. Any ideas?
On the plus side, I figured out that I needed to change the default Filezilla Maximum Simultaneous Transfers from 2 to 1. So now I can batch files & I get several to work over the course of a day without interruption, although I do have failures. Sometimes the transmission just stops - everything freezes and I have shut off the HD24 and start over - but at least I get a few hours of unsupervised transmissions! The last live recordings were 2 hrs and 40 minutes - you can imagine acquiring 24 tracks of that with this method...
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Yeah, that (slow transfer rate) is the problem with the 10MB/s ethernet port on the HD24. Here's a reference for the difference between ATA(IDE) and SATA: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-dif.... You used the IDE connector on your adapter, right?
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Thanks for the link. I did used the IDE - it was the only connection that would fit.
It fit perfectly (there is an outside cable key on the top center of the female connector), but it looked like there were more male connectors on the HD not used. The jumpers are off to the side next to the power connection.
See https://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/s...
Can you still buy IDE drives or is that the really big issue for the old HD24?
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Yes, you can still buy IDE hard drives. Both Amazon and eBay have them both new and refurbished.

My HD24 has two 80GB IDE HDDs that I purchased in 2009. Still going strong. I think that the HD24 has been superseded by the USB and solid state recording devices. I wish that Alesis had replaced it with a more modern model say with solid state drives, but I guess they couldn't make a business case for it somehow.
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Neil, I also have a HD24 and would like to still use it if possible with windows 7 and newer operating systems. Can you e-mail me as well how you do it? My e-mail is: joadmz@sbcglobal.net - would so appreciate any help you can give me.
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Joanne- I sent you some information on 17Dec16, I hope that this helps.
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Neil, will it work with Windows 7 Pro? If so, I need it.
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No problem. Send me your email address and I would be happy to email it to you.It worked with Windows 7 Pro 64-bit.
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BTW, Microsoft is still allowing free upgrades to Windows 10 from Win 7. See https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...
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What is the best way to get firewire if there is no port on my laptop? Will a hub work or an adaptor?
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I used a Firewire adapter on a desktop PC. You might try a a Firewire to USB adapter for your laptop or some kind of converter cable.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/New-Firewi...
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Hi, still having problems with alesis firepirt 1394 connection with windows 10. I tried the legacy driver, but still... nothing..... help... arf....

Thanks,

Olivier
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Oliver-

If you send me an email, I would be happy to share a write-up of how to record and handle audio files produced on the Alesis HD24 with a FirePort 1394 and Windows 10. This may be of some help to you.

Neil Howard
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Hi Neil, Alesis HD24 with Windows 10 only works with FirePort 1394??
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The FirePort 1394 is the easiest way to get files off the HD24 disks, however others have used the ethernet (network) port as well, but it is much slower. The instructions for how to do that are in the HD24 manual, but I have no experience with it.
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Hi Neil, I am glad to see that you are still in this forum helping. When I saw the top posts were three years ago, I was about to give up hopes, but here you are just days ago answering questions.
I have windows 7 Pro 64bit operating system, and have my HD24 connected via Ethernet, but the HD24 connect tools is unable to detect the HD24 even after setting up the app to working in Windows XP (service pack 3) compatible mode with administrator privilege. Any tips that might work?
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Hi Charles- You are already running running HD24Tools application "As Administrator" and in compatibility mode. Those are the only two keys that I know of based on the HD24Tools website. Have you looked at the Ethernet file transfer instructions in the Alesis HD24 manual? There may be something there. I have always used the FirePort 1394 for file transfer, so I have never had to use the Ethernet port and really have no useful experience with it.
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All,
Yesterday I followed Neil’s instructions...upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 Pro (free). Then I followed the instructions on what he sent me on how to setup HD24Connect...and it worked like a charm.

Thanks again Neil.

Brian
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I love it when a plan comes together!
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I also upgraded to windows 10 PRO for free. Followed the instructions, and still get the same message that that a valid drive has not been detected. Just about given up.
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Charles-

See Joe's description on the forum below. This may help you with your Ethernet file transfer from your HD24. Alternatively, the FirePort 1394 is available on eBay for around $150.

Neil
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Charles-

I missed your comment that you were connecting by Ethernet to the HD24. Sorry!

Since you are connecting your computer to your Alesis HD24 via the Ethernet port, the use of HD24Tools will not help you. This is useful only for connecting via the FirePort 1394 to connect the disk caddy to your computer via a Firewire port.

Ethernet is more complex than using HD24Tools or Alesis' FST Connect software with the Fireport 1394.

My understanding is that file transfer via the HD24 Ethernet port happens by ftp. Take a look at Chapter 9 in the Alesis HD24 manual. This lays out the steps to put your HD24 in ftp server mode and transfer files using Internet Explorer or ftp software.
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I can comment on Ethernet transfer using windows 10. Everything I figured out was through the manual instructions but I will try and summarize and you can decide if its an option you want to try. There are two methods. One has a specially wired Ethernet cable going directly from the HD24 to your PC. I was not able to get it to work - might be my cable (called a "crossover cable" because it is a specially wired Ethernet cable). The other method I will run through requires two regular Ethernet cables and a network hub. A wireless router can probably work as your network hub as it likely has multiple Ethernet ports on it and connects to your home network allowing wired devices to transmit over your network.

I will warn that if you get it working, it is a very slow transfer. I'll probably be moving files for a month.. I have over 500GB to move. It also stops working for me every 10 to 20 tracks.. I just start it up again.

1.) Connect your HD24 to your hub using a regular Ethernet cable.
2.) Consider reading the manual to setup your IP address and various settings. I found that the defaults recommended in the manual were already set.
3.) Press the utility key on the HD24 until you see FTP server and press Y to start it up. Your HD24 no longer functions in this mod as a recorder. It is now a file server on your network which you can access through ftp software. You simply press the stop button to go back to normal mode. When FTP stops working, I have to hold the power key down to get out of this mode...
4.) On you PC, set up some directories to prepare for the files. I created and ADAT directory and then I create multiple S01, S02, S03 directories under that for the songs that I will bring in. in the ADAT directory I created two text files. one has the command to launch FTP and one has directions for the ftp program to follow. Here is the contents of a file called "runftp.txt" (between the two ------) those dashes should not be in your text file

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open 192.168.1.100
anonymous
""
lcd S01
cd WAV
cd Drive1
cd "Project01 - Proj Name"
cd "Song01 - Song Name"
get Track01.wav
get Track02.wav
get Track03.wav
get Track04.wav
get Track05.wav
get Track06.wav
get Track07.wav
get Track08.wav
quit
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The open command connects to your HD24 in FTP
The next two lines help it login. user name in this case is 'anonymous' and pass is blank. These need to match what you set on your HD24 but I think this is default. lcd changes the directory the files will be dropped in. In my case, S01. the cd commands are navigating your HD24 drive to get to the directory that contain your WAV files (I want wav files but an AIFF directory also exists for mac. The quotes around some text help it handle the spaces. If you are copy and paste you might want to consider typing those quotes directly as sometimes character sets get confused. You will need to adjust these directories based on your case but the text shown might work for your first song on the drive if you did not edit names. Now it simply runs a bunch of get commands to get each track. Those tracks will be named as shown. Increase the number if you have more tracks. quit exits ftp. The second text file I just called readme.txt and it contains the command to launch this transfer. I put it in the ADAT directory and it contains one line which I copy and paste later. that line is

c:\windows\system32\ftp.exe -s:runftp.txt

5.) Launch a command prompt. click on that windows start thingy and type 'command' until you see command prompt program and launch it. now you want to cd - change directory - into your ADAT directory. I happen to be using the f drive so I type and enter

f:

then I type and enter

cd ADAT

at this point you could try to ping you HD24

ping 192.168.1.100

you should see a reply but it might say no reply. You need a reply. if this does not work then read manual to understand how to set you IP address and check your cables. Also make sure you turned on FTP server mode on the HD24.

now just run the command

c:\windows\system32\ftp.exe -s:runftp.txt

Its very slow. The runftp file allows you to walk away for a while.

I don't know if I will be back here but good luck and hopefully I have not caused new frustration.

ftp may or may not be installed on your windows machine. I am using what comes with windows. I have so far not been able to get other free programs (GUI) to connect to HD24 but I assume its operator error. I have used HD24Tools previously but am having issues getting my drives to respond when plugged into my pc through and IDE adapter. I believe the one drive I am working with is going bad however.. The utility being talked about here would be a better option for most if you can get it working. I don't remember if it was faster but I suspect it was. This is a last resort option in my opinion - because it is so slow and I have to restart it every so often.

Again, most everything I said here is in the manual which you can find on line. The part about the txt file helps automate but you need to be comfortable with directories. You can also use ftp manually. Type ftp 192.168.1.100 at the command prompt. Then type anonymous and then again. (blank password in my case.

Here you can type help to get a list of commands which you can search for on line
dir allows you to see a directory
cd allows you to change directory (note the use of double quotes mentioned previously to handle spaces)
get gets files from HD24
put puts files onto HD24
mget did not appear to work with HD24 - operator error? This got me to the txt file solution. The txt file solution still help me avoid logging in and getting to correct directories.

Good Luck - Joe
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Joe-

Nice detailed explanation of how to use the Ethernet port on the back of f the HD24 for file transfers! like your automated ftp scripts. I think that the HD24 has a 10MB/s Ethernet port only. That is probably one reason that file transfers are so slow using this method. But it is the only show in town if the FirePort 1394 is unavailable. I have recently seen the FirePort 1394 available on eBay for around $150 which may be a useful option.

Neil Howard
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I think I forgot to mention connecting your PC to your network hub via Ethernet cable. That is where the second Ethernet cable came into play. Here both your ADAT HD24 and your PC are now plugged into your network through what is most likely your wireless router which often has wired connections available on it. Thanks - Joe
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Hi Joe, What version of HD24 tools do you use? I cannot make it work, it does not detect the fireport or Harddisc. What hardware do you use at the pc end? I have tried a USB to thunder3 to thunder 2 to firewire.
Thank you for your reply.
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Hi Olestetter1. In my case, the HD24 was connected to my router through an ethernet cable and then my pc is also connected to that same router through another ethernet cable. I then went through the process as described above in two different posts to more or less manually move the files to a hard drive connected to my pc. This method is very slow and I would suggest doing it only if you can't get any other method to work if you have a large amount of data to move. I did not use HD24 tools. I think the program launched but I was not able to get it to detect the drive, similar to what you are saying.
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Hi All

I need to transfer multi-track audio files from a computer (PC or MAC) to the HD24.
Does anyone know where I might find:
1) Instructions
2) HD24 file format (WAVs, or whatever)
3) Actual HD24 disk format (FAT32, etc)

Any help most gratefully appreciated

Best Wishes

Ted
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The Alesis HD24 is a digital recording device. Why do you want to transfer tracks TO the HD24? Usually people are transferring files FROM the HD24 to a DAW. Please explain. Thanks.
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The HD24 disk format (ADAT/FST) is a proprietary format which is not compatible with MS Windows or MacOS. That's why you need special software (Alesis FST Connect or HD24Tools) to transfer/convert recordings from the HD24 disks to a Windows or Mac-based machine in .WAV format.

From Alesis:
"The Alesis ADAT File Streaming Technology, or ADAT/FST, records onto hard
drives in a unique way designed from the ground up for multitrack audio. Many
other hard disk recorders use the Microsoft-designed FAT32 or Apple’s HFS+ file
format. Since these were originally designed for the relatively small data files
used in personal computers, not for real-time multitrack recording and playback,
they break up audio into many small files scattered across the disk. Alesis
ADAT/FST keeps all tracks of a song in large associated clusters on the hard disk,
so the disk doesn’t have to “hunt” all over during recording and playback."
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HI Neil, many thanks for getting back to me.

I am sorry, I should have explained, we use the the HD24 as a live playback machine for gigs.

So the HD24 plays various overdubs and drum parts transferred from the original multitracks and the stage musicians play along. It also means that I can balance all the individual sources out on in the auditorium.

We have been employing this method with the HD24 for over 10 years, the HD is really bulletproof and the setup works brilliantly.

Up until now, we have just transferred the songs as a single analogue pass from Logic to the HD24, but I want to explore transferring as individual files. Part of our team did start down this road last year using ethernet but ran into problems and also ran out of time.

However the HD24 Fireport interface seems to be the answer and it looks like we may be able to lay our hands on one. Also our studio runs Logic and has amassed many generations of other Alesis kit over 30 odd years.

My questions were just so I can get an understanding of what topography I am dealing with before I make a start.

Have you every used the Fireport Neil?

Huge thanks

Ted
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Thanks, Ted-

If you send me an email, I would be happy to share a write-up of how I have used the FirePort 1394 with the Alesis HD24. My use of the HD24 has been solely as a multi-track recording device, but you may be able to adapt the ideas in my write-up to your playback scenario.

Neil Howard
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Hi Ted,

If Neil can get you going, his method is much much faster compared to ethernet. I have a write up above on how I managed to use ethernet to transfer from the ADAT to a PC. If you substituted the 'get' command with the 'put' command I would expect it to work in reverse as long as your directory name and structure on the HD24 matches what the HD24 would expect and as long as all your files for a particular song have the exact same length. Your files should be the same size since their origin was from the HD24 assuming you did not alter them in that respect. As I said, its a very slow process and I also had to restart it many times because it would eventually fail on some file as mentioned (I think) in the write up. I have not tried to use the put command but I would think the ADAT will write it out correctly in its own format. Again, Neil has the best solution but reach out if I might be able to give any more details on the ethernet method. Good luck!

Joe