Why not improving Mpc software and standalone?

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Just a humble question.
Given that we bought an Mpc that's been advertised as an hybrid device with its own software and OS, why don't you just improve what it is advertised?
I mean, we bought Mpc for that and it's not that cheap.
With 2.7, it seems like I have to buy a 3rd party daw to take advantage of it.
I find this choice a bit bizarre.
I would love to see improvements in a hybrid point of view, which means improvements in Mpc standalone and Mpc software.
Thanks.
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Fabrizio Frisan

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Starship Ghetto Byrd

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I would like to see a few changes as well, but Ableton does seem massively popular so I'm assuming they are chasing that market.

Overall, I'm very happy with my LIVE, though, so I'm not sweating it tooooooo much.
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Fabrizio Frisan

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Yeah I also love my Mpc in standalone.
It's just bizarre that it took 6 months of efforts for something few people were asking for.
Did Akai surrender with its own software?
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FlexHead

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Akai did the same thing with the Force. Rather than updating it to control MPC software, they have it controlling Ableton. I use MPC and Force software but not Ableton, so the updates are basically useless.

I also wonder why I can't update my Mac to the latest system software and not be able to use my controller (Touch) or MPC software anymore. I already went through this with the last update, which I did, and wasn't able to use MPC for about 5 months
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FlexHead

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I did get into Maschine at the time and now use it much more. Thanks Akai. The longer it takes to get the MPC software and controller updated to run on Catalina, the more time I have to produce music on Maschine.
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Indeed: the MPC Live is designed and promoted primarily as a standalone device, right?
Or at least having the possibility to function as 'the center of your production setup'.
I guess a lot of people bought this specific instrument because they didn't want to use a separate computer, no?
All the extra possibilities are nice, but AKAI, please treat and update it in line with the way you designed, promoted and sold it to your customers...

* SIGH *
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Starship Ghetto Byrd

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Very well said - that's precisely why I bought it, and exactly how I use it. I am in Standalone 95% of the time.

I dislike using computers (except for mixing), and I actively loathe Ableton. Guess I'm a weirdo!

But I'm assuming AKAI sees a demand for it, and it IS a huge market.

Alas.
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eltho

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Yes, it is a huge market but one that seems pretty well-served already, no? The standalone market was one in which AKAI used to be a strong name, let's hope they want to keep/regain that status!
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I feel what you're all saying but I think it's more nuanced than that. For example: I used to almost exclusively sample but I've transitioned more into using Omnisphere 2 for sound production.
However, I still NEED the MPC workflow - sequencing, drum track creation, etc. and unfortunately I need both an MPC and the ability to use it with a DAW like Cubase or Studio One where the MIDI editing in those daws is far superior to the MPC.
That's where I wish the MPC software would get updated to be on par (at least in terms of editing and ease of use) with those other DAWS. That way we all could have the best of both worlds.
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Chasing the market seems spot on
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I guess this has been stated elsewhere, but the fundamental platform the MPC X, Live and Force are built on is the same. They run the same OS+Software (from what appears to be a common codebase). I think a lot of people buying force were interested in it as a multi function device. Sure the primary selling point is standalone functionality, but if it can also function to an APC, then that it's like killing two birds with one stone for Ableton users.

There was a clear demand for this and it was mentioned as an upcoming feature when force was released. I'd love to see more standalone mode features, but I guess the same team works on Force and MPC. They have to target bringing features to the market for one or both devices. With the common codebase it seems rather pointless to release features for one and not the other except for marketing reasons (e.g. standalone mode hybrid synth). In the end though, adding a new feature to both, albeit not so useful to one of the platforms, seems like the best way to go. Hopefully the next release will be something more commonly requested, and MPC targeted.
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Yeah I really hope next update will be focused on standalone.
It would make sense.
Otherwise it means Akai wants to go back to controllers, which is what I am not interested into.
Just make a killer groovebox standalone and you will win the competition, dear Akai.
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Common OS / software + it’s key to FORCE being marketable + it’s probably a huge market (Ableton Live users)......this all makes total sense...especially when you consider Akai is part of a huge business.

Their employees probably (possibly) work there because they love music & hardware, but the people making the business decisions have other priorities & people to answer to (sometimes by law).

I am in the camp of long-time MPC1000 owner along side a DAW - then selling the MPC1000 and going all DAW (for sampling, programming, sequencing), and now, wanting to get away from the computer, MPC Live owner.

I try and understand both sides - the users & the business that makes these things and sells them to us.....

But yeah, 2.7 update was a bummer to me.

The more I get into the MPC Live, the more I like it - but also, the more I’m surprised to learn about the issues it had when it was first released...and still has today. (like underdeveloped MIDI implementation, etc.)

When a technology like MIDI is not rock-solid and deep in a device that’s close to $1000 USD in 2019, I start to question why I’m making the extra effort, and who will I support moving forward? (Elektron? Akai? Ableton or Apple...?)

The list of companies that I absolutely love is very short and seems to be getting shorter, rather than longer...

I often think about what JJ was able to do for the MPC1000 with the JJOS....and what could be done now with the MPC Live!!! Wow!

I also think that if there was an Akai website that allowed users to request & pitch new features & vote on them - that many users would feel better served. In fact, I for one would even pay / “donate” extra money to a freelance developer just to code & test these new features.

From a business standpoint, this mostly sounds like a nightmare...with users bitching about having to pay for extra features, after they just bought a high-end device....but many did it for the JJOS....so it is possible.

The only version of this I can see actually happening is if Akai opened their platform to other developers (which I so hope they are planning on doing).

I would guess that this will not happen because it may be a tough sell to the business people.

BUT - I do hope for things like.....

1. That some AMAZING developer at Akai decides to leak the needed code to hack - or someone figures out a way to.

2. Akai gets forward-thinking and opens up their software all together.

3. Akai creates a kind of Apple App Store for MPC code.

Again, I for one would be happy to pay a developer to work on extra features (and if Akai found a way to take a small cut of this, that’s OK too).

........
Oh boy, this post got WAY long....and I’m sure that this topic has been covered a million times elsewhere....but I’m new around here....highly caffeinated and alone on Christmas....so cheers everyone!!!

All said, it’s a pretty great device....let’s hope Akai are listening and let’s hope these boxes get even better!!!!

(and let’s hope JJ or someone similar is successfully hacking away)
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People really need to learn exactly what JJOS is and isnt. JJ worked for Akai. JJ got fired and STOLE the MPC1000/2500 OS. JJOS isn't some magic software that was written from the ground up by "JJ". He just modded the source code that was already in place. Aint gonna happen with the Live or X.
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Fabrizio Frisan

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Well yeah, I can imagine a 4gb Mpc with third party synths and fx, the same as Air did when they gave us their great bundle and synths.
That would be dope, to have the chance to buy 3rd party plugins for standalone.
Just a dream maybe?
Or maybe not?
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Hey Fabrizio,

Thanks for posting!

This is a difficult question to answer as I am not a part of the development team. What I can tell you, is that the community has been very vocal about implementing Ableton control, specifically for the Force. As Daniel mentioned above, the MPC and Force OS are practically the same, so integrations for one are usually implemented in the other.

If you are not an Ableton user, I can understand that the update doesn't necessarily provide much use to you. That said, this update implemented some large advances in terms of what the unit is capable of doing. The team is continuing to build on that and I'm sure that we will see some exciting new features in the MPC hardware and software in the coming year.

Let me know if you have any questions.
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merry christmas ! can't wait to put my hands on the next update focusing on mpc live standalone, lets make this thing more awesome, thank you akai devs <3