[MPC Live] Ability to assign Midi channel and input port or controller to specific tracks

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Currently if you connect MIDI keyboard via MIDI ports or USB, it will play the active track you have selected. And it's the same track you are playing with MPC's pads. It would be a great feature to assign MIDI keyboard to other track and play it as multi timbral synth. So for example you can play drums or clips with the pads on currently selected track and some melodies with your MIDI keyboard on another track, which is listening only to say channel 1 from USB MIDI controller.
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Richard C

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waiting for this to happen, along with sidechain, stereo reverb (i was shocked it was not the case), parameter locks...and please vocoder/autotune FX
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Miguel Esteves

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A Parameter-locking Sequencer would be too much for AKAI to pull off. It would totally obliterate the need of buying Elektrons, but Akai is just too blind to see this. They rather push their marketing fueled updates, so they don't lose buyers, just like this VST Synth one... which was because they were loosing sales to their new competitor Synthstrom Deluge.
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To be fair the mpc live is much more useful than the deluge, I wanted to get a deluge because they are a new Zealand company and I wanted to support them, but the deluge can't take midi files, or at least, it couldn't when I bought my live.

The mpc synth is Handy for sure, but yeah, I'll only be using it as a place holder for a real synth.
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Jd Ryan

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I know a lot of people have piled on this, but yes, we really need multitimbral input. This is really crippling.
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Creative Spiral

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This definitely seems like low hanging fruit... I just got my MPC X, and spent a bunch of time searching for where to set MIDI input channels / MIDI filtering, convinced there must be a way... but it seems there is not. Please add this!!
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Alter Ego

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Yea man, we all feel the same about this subject. I feel like I have been lead astray!
How do you have no real MIDI implementation on a MIDI Production Center!
Ohh excuse me, it was renamed to Music Production Center!
I guess this is where they decided to take the MIDI out of the equation!!
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moschops

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Can somebody please tell me why there are TWO midi ins on this machine if it only receives MIDI on ONE channel?
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Daniel Wall

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Welcome to the party. I summon Nick D. of the AKAI dimension to answer for your companies transgressions.

Me now channeling Nick D:

“Thanks for posting!

I would definitely like to see multi-timbral input added to the MPC workflow. MIDI programs will allow you to send MIDI data out on multiple channels to hardware but MPC will currently receive all incoming MIDI on all channels and apply it to the currently selected program.

I will update the community if I receive any additional information about inputting MIDI on multiple channels. Thank you!”
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eltho

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fingers crossed...
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ill.GATES

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pleaaaaaase

we are DYYYYYYYYINGGGGGGGGG
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Creative Spiral

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Yeah, I had a MPC 2000XL about twenty years ago that was MIDI multi-timbral.. When I purchased the MPC X a couple weeks ago, I just assumed that it was multi-timbral... Didn't even bother to look into that. That is such a key aspect to the MPC family line / functionality. Really hope they are devoting all available resources to implementing this. The workflow for connecting with multiple outboard synths / drum machines / other MIDI devices is seriously hampered without Multi-Timbral MIDI I/O support.
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Full midi implementation would be great, but at the very least I would expect to be able to assign a controller that I've connected via USB to a specific track per sequence.

I Love that the LIve/X can act as a USB midi host, but It's very frustrating that I can't assign it to a specific track to play melodies, and then select/focus on other tracks to trigger sounds with the onboard drum pads/controls.
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Yes I was thinking something similar, like having the chance to lock an external keyboard to a plugin track in standalone would allow us to play a synth plugin everytime, even if we switch to another track.
That would be like having a separated synth.
It would be very handy in my opinion
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eltho

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Exactly my wish as well!
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moschops

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I just want to use the MPC X as a traditional sampler and control it from my Cirklon hardware sequencer as literally nobody makes a pro midi hardware sampler anymore.
As cool as the MPC sequencer is, it's absolutely no match for the Cirklon, which is approximately 39 times better.
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Thanks for speak about the Cirklon, never heard of it before and it looks rock solid. Very nice!
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Odeo Phil

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It is possible to map a lot of Encoder and fader to whatever - that’s cool to enhance the “live” possibilities to get a lot of direct access.


BUT, after a major update still a midi-mess for live playing AND as a production center!


I really don’t get it, why akai don’t want to implement it....




Edit:
..and to store the midi mappings external or as default..
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Think this is a great idea if the MPC Live is genuinely meant to be the heart of your setup. It would be better however if it went beyond multi-timbral input and become a simple midi router that allowed you to set the channel and note in and a different one for the midi out if required, either internal or external. (Individual pads with different notes/channels in the same program would be good.)

As an example I use the MPC to drive my modular as well as samples. I have an OP Z that I can hook up wirelessly to the MPC which is fantastic for building ideas on the move except that instead of 8 channels of sequencing I get 1....
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I'm thinking to get the OPZ alongside the live, do they work great together.
Any limitations connecting wirelessly and hows the usb connection
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Im guessing they F**ked up the hardware big time, otherwise it would have been in there by now surely.
I think in the history of hardware this has to be the biggest omission ever, I think because its such a great machine in other departments they have got away with it until now.
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I'm pretty sure any multitimbral MIDI development constraints would be in the firmware/programming layer, not hardware. They should be able to add it. I hope they prioritize it over other developments in the pipeline. In hindsight, I wouldn't have bought the X, and gone instead with the Elektron route... I should have researched it better... just assumed it was MIDI multitimbral, since my 2000xl was, twenty years ago. For now I'm gonna hold my X, as it seems like a great kit otherwise, and just keep fingers crossed for some news on this soon.
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This is absolutely essential for such a device.

As well as being able to assign different MIDI controllers/channels to different instruments/Programs, hopefully this improvement will also allow using Program Changes on different channels for different purposes e.g., Ch1 PCs = Sequences, Ch2 = Programs and channel-specific MIDI mappings, which I don't think are possible yet.
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TNT Rox

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how long has this been under consideration ? seriously !! i have 9 hardware synths but can only play one track at a time.
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I can not believe that the MPC Live does not allow me to choose a specific midi channel for the input. This is absolutely essential. I can't integrate it in anything if it's always reacting to everything that happens across all midi channels. Not even in a simple setup, trying to play both the Yamaha Reface CP, and the MPC LIve via seperate midichannels from an M-audio Code 61.

I've been saving for a long time, and I just bought my MPC and this absolutely destroys the possibility of me using it, in a practical way, in a live-setup.

Please, please, please fix this. Omni-mode only is killing me!
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Its getting there it seem, just very slowly. There a few simple thing that are not that hard to implement that should be implemented e.g. multitimbral midi input.

Its frustrating if you shell out a huge sum of cash and something basic like this does not work and then 6 months later, still not there and its kinda needed for you setup and workflow.

The new additions of autosampler and built in synths are a big update, be nice if the team double back and implement a few of these simpler things.
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exactly my thoughts...
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Don't worry they will have a new product out soon and it will have multi-timbrality.
It won't matter that you wasted your money on an incomplete product, just buy the new one!
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Are the MIDI in Ports Independant of each other or combined
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TNT Rox

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hahaha ) nice...
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Jd Ryan

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Actually, from what Dan said over at Gearslutz, 2.4 is addressing this.
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Rich Lane

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Link to this evidence please JD...?
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Jd Ryan

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You'd have to go through a few pages over the last couple of days, but it's in there ... https://www.gearslutz.com/board/elect...
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Hmmm just seems to say that 2.4 will be announced at NAAM, and talks about a load of new samples. Can’t see anything about ‘locking’ an external mid device to a particular track regardless of what the screen menu is doing. That’s not what we’re after here
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If you're talking about multitimbral input, it was in one of those lists. If you mean something else, I must have misunderstood you.
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Rich Lane

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'Multitimbral' is in a way a bit misleading as Akai claim the MPC already is. However they manage to adress this disterous oversight, it's all about not restricting your attached midi peripherals to the track currently on screen, as is the case now. Anyhow - Naam is well underway, and nothing yet except the expected shed loads of production samples for the numpties. We've been listening to the optimists for 18 months or more now : 'Next update, I've had a tip-off' etc. Forgive us if we now only believe it IF it actually happens. Which lets face it, it won't now. Akai are already moving on to other flagship devices. (Trust me, I would like nothing more than to apologize to you for my lack of faith in the info should I be proved wrong...)
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The MPC can, and always has been able to, produce multiple timbres at once; It is by that definition (the standard one) multi-timbral. What it lacks a the ability to simultaneously, via internal or external live interaction, control multiple timbres. This lacking boils down to all input channels (pads and all MIDI ports & channels) being treated as one.

This conversation has been going on for a long time and the language being used is imprecise. We don't want a MIDI filter, multi timbrality or any of a number of things that don't really address the problem. What we want is a way to individually address and control all timbres (a track+program combination in MPC language) simultaneously through the pads and MIDI, by port and channel. In the best case we would also be able to also record enable/disable tracks in addition to the master record, as you do with audio tracks.

As for the reality of the situation; I would love these problems be dealt with but I've used the MPC daily since I got it (over a year ago) and made a lot of music on it. In the end I bought a Squarp Pyramid to augment my live setup and only use my MPC at home. I'm still hoping the MPC will become the live performance instrument it could be, but I am resigned to it being what it is. As you say, I hope Akai prove me wrong.
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Excellent description of the problem, Daniel. We essentially want to be able to use multiple synths simultaneously while other things are playing. This shouldn't be difficult. I've also thought about getting a Squarp, because I'm getting incredibly frustrated by this limitation.
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I want to control it with an external sequencer (Sequentix Cirklon) like I can EVERY other sampler EVER made, this was the first multitimbral sampler to not have that facility, its tragic.
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(((Thumper)))

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Yup! Me too. Exactly
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Ross Alexander

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The eagle eyed will notice that you can select midi channels on plugins. Surely this can be brought into the rest of the machine?? Be very surprised if it doesn't pop up eventually
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Daniel Wall

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Akai. Where is our update? People are starting to band together for lawsuits. This is absurd. At least make a comment.
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Jd Ryan

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Lawsuits? Dramatic, much? Who is suing what on what grounds? You're going to sue because you don't have the update you want? Good luck with that, bro.
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(((Thumper)))

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I think there may be some grounds for false advertising based on the fact that its advertized to operate in 24 bit but when processing samples, converts to 16 without telling you, I’m nust not real sure youd have a real easy time quantifying the damages. Not in TX but maybe in CA.
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(((Thumper)))

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Anyway, its been made pretty clear we’ll be getting another major updat in the next month or two. Patience is not always fun but hopefully it’ll pay off!
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That's hardly the basis for a lawsuit. But I'm pretty confident things are getting fixed, slowly but surely.
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Daniel Wall

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Actually there is a lot that was misrepresented about this device. What makes you confident JD Ryan? Is it that you work for akai, or your just an internet loud mouth who should mind their own business? Also I've been told by many AKAI reps that 2.4 would have the midi fix......after seeing the brand new 2.4 announcement. I don't see any fix. My only hope, is that AKAI is embarrassed by this and wants to sneak in the fix as to not raise too many eyebrows.
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I got my MPC live just after the 2.3 update and when searching this forum and multiple others I feel bad that many of you waited for some of the software additions that were put in. Coming from my point of view, I am happy with that which is currently offered, with hopes for some adjustments, this one included. It sucks that many of you have been waiting 18+ months for a lot of seemingly simple, important and overlooked featured that most would deem important or mission critical.(especially assigning midi devices to tracks so 2 people can play, for instance) The reason I bought my MPC live was for hopes that I could ditch my Maschines(I have all of them) and make music on the go. I also have a Korg Electribe 2, and I can use Multitimbral midi with that(assign a channel from my Yamaha Reface DX, and continue to make a beat on the pads from the Korg) This seems to me like it should have been included out of the box, especially if you're going to advertise 2 USB-in for MIDI and 2 MIDI ports. It kind of seems mental that this isnt there and I wish I would have read up on it more before my purchase, it just seemed so obvious. I understand that devs are working hard on other new hardware but please spend some more time on the products that people have already paid so much money for!

P.S. I'm a SW Dev if you guys are looking for some assistance :p
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They did just announce this...

However nothing was mentioned about better midi implementation, so I'm getting very nervous it's not coming.
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(((Thumper)))

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Hmmm... all we can do is keep our fingers crossed. Theres been lots if buzz about midi. Maybe thatll be the next NEXT update. If not; keep that constructive feedback headed their way!
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TNT Rox

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cunning stunt... Nick D... Mother Ducker.
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Audium Soundwaves

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Come on Akai.. This WILL bring you more sales!!! Do it for that, if not for reason!
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I can't play a drum kit with one hand on the MPC Live while using a midi keyboard with the other nand to play an instrument keygroup or Tubesynth!!?

This is crazy, please fix this. This is basic functionality.