[Force] USB MIDI output

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At the moment it's possible to get MIDI input from USB devices but it's not possible to send MIDI to the devices. Together with an active USB hub, this could make some setups cleaner.

But of course, fix all the critical stuff which is pissing off all the users here first ;)
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Eliza, Employee

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Hey klaustrophil,

Thanks for posting!

That's a great idea for maximizing MIDI I/O routing options. Be sure to submit this as a feature request directly to the Akai team for consideration!

MPC - Submit a Feature Request

Thanks for your feedback! :)
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https://getsatisfaction.com/akai_prof...

The Force software is really closed to the Live/X one.
So this hack should work on the Force also...

https://github.com/TheKikGen/USBMidiK...
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freidimensional

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Anybody tried this hack on the force?

I dont understand why usb only allowes midi input, no output...
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Probably because it's hard to build a UI to support 15(million) different devices, with wacky USB hub structure. Then you have to provide USB Midi-clock to all and maybe route data directly between them.

There's also the 'support issue' when you start connecting class compliant devices which aren't actually class compliant...
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Akai has stated that the reason was simply such that the OS environment they use, had support for USB MIDI In already built-in, so they enabled that for us.

A better MIDI implementation is on the way, according to Akai, and 1-to-1 tracks with MIDI "multi-mode" which should enable us to map MIDI port and channel for MIDI In to individual tracks.

I have seen mention about the USB MIDI Out and that it is on the road map, so it should be coming.

What time frame are we talking about for all this? Well, I see all these version numbers being mentioned by people, but that means nothing in terms of time. Sometimes we get a new version within a month, sometimes it takes six months, etc., so there really is no "time" frame per se, but sort of general features in loose order. This is reasonable, because some things has to be done before others and all that.

I was REALLY hoping for the 3.0 for x-mas, but that's not based on anything but my own hopes. Maybe I have to consider myself lucky if there is another tenth version before then... nah, I still want to hope for as long as possible. :)
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you've (we've) got 1 month to go before your update (should) drop!
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I have the same problem:
the force don't send any midi message to the midi in and out port; instead if you look in to the monitor windows of force software you can see the flow of midi messagge.
Maybe a better midi implementation would be a great things.
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trusampler

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That's because this new Akai team , doesn't know how to properly implement it.
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Elektrobolt

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I think that maybe it's the rather simplistic MPC implementation and with the addition of a larger touch screen, etc. the demand simply became that of a DAW rather than "just" an MPC.

The situation is just more or less forcing the transition of the "software" (the one that they are deferring all workarounds) to the newer MPC series. And it makes total sense.

Why should I need a second computer to run some DAW, when the capabilities of the MPC X (in my case, but all newer MPC's has the same basic computer specs) can do more or less the same by itself.

One might not be able to do ALL the things a powerful DAW can do, at once, but some wants a drum machine, some a sound effects machine and some (me) wants a sequencer with some sampling capabilities and LOTS of MIDI.

Anyways, the point (before I lost sight of it for a bit) is that it'll take some time, but don't forget what Akai has accomplished so far. It's a pretty sweet set of bongo drums already. We just need it more DAWish, rather than MPCish, IMHO.
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we are not talking DAW features but (real/true) MPC features that were there since the dawn of MPC/Roger LiNN
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Elektrobolt

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I was merely commenting on trusampler, the "Akai team, doesn't know how to properly implement it" and that journey.

Though in response to you, which MPC (at dawn times) had USB MIDI In or Out?
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No mpc at that time had USB midi in or out, only USB transfer support, 4k and 2500, perhaps the 5k I never bothered to buy as this was around the time new Akai took over completely.
What's your point? Why does an additional USB midi out mean anything in terms of killing off a well known and versatile feature?
The idea, that you kill a feature because of a new USB midi driver included makes no sense. So you have a program loaded and can in real time send midi out to track in your daw, what's the difference between that and me sending midi notes out from any workstation like Yamaha Motif , or Korg Wavestate for example that works just fine.
Same principle, it would and will work fine. They ( akai) just chose not to code these newer MPC's to make use of it.
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BTW that 4 midi out hack still doesn't address the issue of sending midi out while a program is loaded!
Akai would still have to code the Mpc or Force to work as other Mpc's have worked in the past.
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Elektrobolt

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The point is that this thread is titled "[Force] USB MIDI output" and you are on about "MPC features that were there since the dawn of MPC...".
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trusampler

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Injection of their serum, is the same cause for the same death. Just saying. Good luck